Worst Move? Drafting Hayward over George or Burks over Leonard?

[GVC]

Shumpers A/T Ratio is 2/1 he shot 40% from 3 last year, is considerably stronger, and most importantly a beastly on ball defender, hed guard Tony Parker and Russell Westbrook for the Jazz, and or Manu Ginobili

Way to cherry pick. Dude gets 60% of his offense from high point expectancy spot ups and transition, and is still well below league average efficiency overall. From all accounts, he's a good perimeter defender, but so is Kawhi, who also has a strength/length advantage. Kawhi is clearly the superior player to both Burks and Shumpert. It's not close at all, you just happen to watch Shumpert and Burks more, and like most young fans, think your youth is going to explode as soon as a couple small things change.

Kawhi can do it on both ends. Shumpert and Burks are one way players, yet still inferior to Kawhi on the one side of the ball they can play. It's highly unlikely that changes.

 

[Game6Conley]

all i gotta say is youve resorted to putting words in my mouth and being presumptuous... what about, that your argument can be flipped directly on its head by saying you dont know what your talking about because you watch more Leonard and less Shumpert... wow great infoz.

also id love to mention that youd never call me young to my face. =) and uh your old? my visions better??? whats with the passive aggressive shots at me, catch feelings much?

cherry pick... your calling out individual stats no? and youve avoided the main point in my thesis why Shumpert would have been a better pick than Burks... " he would have helped us more the last 2 seasons(and in the playoffs)", you avoid this... why?

please tell me the story of how burks was better the past 2 seasons, and was better for the jazz the past 2 seasons, we wont even take into account that shumpert recovered from major knee surgery and caught up to speed fully

 

[Revolution 9]

Again with a real coach, and surrounded by Hall of Famers would Burks look a whole lot better on the Spurs?

I bet he would...

 

[Jazz4ever]

I like Burks defensive potential. Held opponent PGs to a ridiculously low 11.8 PER. The Jazz gave up 1.05 PPP with him on the floor, 3rd best rating on the team. You Burks haters might be in for a big surprise next year.

 

[Game6Conley]

Leonard isnt a confident player offensively, Shumpert wants to defense the best player and take the last shot, GVC is mistaken

 

[GVC]

cherry pick... your calling out individual stats no? and youve avoided the main point in my thesis why Shumpert would have been a better pick than Burks... " he would have helped us more the last 2 seasons(and in the playoffs)", you avoid this... why?

In a discussion about Burks/Leonard, you said:

you guys are missing the player the jazz should have really drafted over Burks, its clearly Iman Shumpert

This only makes sense if you mean Shumpert would have been a better pick than Kawhi, which is laughable.

 

[Game6Conley]

I like Burks defensive potential. Held opponent PGs to a ridiculously low 11.8 PER. The Jazz gave up 1.05 PPP with him on the floor, 3rd best rating on the team. You Burks haters might be in for a big surprise next year.

BURKS AT PG?!?!

 

[Jazz4ever]

BURKS AT PG?!?!

I like Burks as a backup PG, frees us up of a roster spot, saves cash, and lets Hayward play more at SG. If you watched, Burks looked good in pick and roll situations with the bigs last year.

 

[Game6Conley]

In a discussion about Burks/Leonard, you said:

This only makes sense if you mean Shumpert would have been a better pick than Kawhi, which is laughable.

Kawhi leonard is almost invisible on offense

Shumpert wants to shoot the last shot, and defend the best player

is Kahwi superior in transition? NO
better shooter? Shumpert shot 40% from 3

also Kahwi leonard had 3 reps of 225 at the combine, Shumpert had 18...

Shumperts max vert was 42" !!!

Leonards vert was 32"

Leonards wingspan is 5" more... hes 2" taller and has 6½" on him in standing reach, but Leonard is a Wing, Shumpert is a guard. also leonard and burks are about a year younger.

 

[Game6Conley]

I like Burks as a backup PG, frees us up of a roster spot, saves cash, and lets Hayward play more at SG. If you watched, Burks looked good in pick and roll situations with the bigs last year.

i love burks btw, just dont tell me he would have helped the past 2 seasons more than shumpert, thats absurd

id like to add that i noticed burks enjoys and seems to be cognizant of the big's post up position, and i like the entry passes he throws to the post

 

[Revolution 9]

I like Burks defensive potential. Held opponent PGs to a ridiculously low 11.8 PER. The Jazz gave up 1.05 PPP with him on the floor, 3rd best rating on the team. You Burks haters might be in for a big surprise next year.

...and here some of the haters kept going on and on about what a bad defender he was. You know who you are....

 

[GVC]

Kawhi leonard is almost invisible on offense

Shumpert wants to shoot the last shot, and defend the best player

Kawhi averaged 11.9 points per game this season, third on the Spurs (in both the regular season and playoffs, where he's actually upped his average and efficiency), Iman averaged 6.8. Kawhi also routinely defends the opponent's best perimeter player, while playing 30+ minutes per game.

is Kahwi superior in transition? NO

Kawhi got 22.5% of his possessions in transition this season, and averaged a very good 1.27 points per possession on those possessions. Iman got 17.8% of his possessions in transition this season, and averaged a terrible 0.94 PPP in transition (league average was 1.13 PPP in transition). How is Iman the better transition player?

better shooter? Shumpert shot 40% from 3

Kawhi's still been better over his two year career from the 3, and is far more efficient overall. We'll see what happens next season.

also Kahwi leonard had 3 reps of 225 at the combine, Shumpert had 18...

Shumperts max vert was 42" !!!

Leonards vert was 32"

Leonards wingspan is 5" more... hes 2" taller and has 6½" on him in standing reach, but Leonard is a Wing, Shumpert is a guard.

Who cares? Kawhi's the better basketball player.

also leonard and burks are about a year younger.

Which means there should be more potential for growth. Would you really rather have Iman Shumpert than Kawhi Leonard?