"You get a mugshot, you get a mugshot, everyone gets a mugshot!"

[Mongoose]

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"A former top organizer for the Proud Boys who was convicted of seditious conspiracy and other felonies stemming from his leadership role in the Jan. 6 assault on the U.S. Capitol was sentenced on Thursday to 17 years in prison.

Joseph Biggs, a U.S. army veteran, was a leader of the group's Florida chapter and a close ally of the former Proud Boys chairman Enrique Tarrio. Biggs was convicted of seditious conspiracy in May alongside two other Proud Boys leaders following a more than four-month-long trial.

In handing down his sentence, U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly accepted the government's recommendation to apply an enhancement that effectively labeled Biggs' crimes as acts of terrorism in seeking to influence the actions of government through threats and use of force.

Prosecutors had sought 33 years in prison for Biggs, their longest recommended prison sentence yet for any participant convicted of joining the Jan. 6 assault -- their same recommendation for Tarrio. They had previously sought 25 years in prison for Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes, who was convicted for leading his far-right militia members in a separate seditious conspiracy and sentenced earlier this year to 18 years in prison.

Biggs' sentence is the second longest for any defendant charged in connection with the Capitol attack. Tarrio is set to be sentenced next Tuesday.

Addressing the court himself, Biggs became emotional as he sought to dispute the characterization of him as a "terrorist" and begged for leniency so he could one day be released to care for his daughter.

"On Jan. 6 I was seduced by the crowd and I just moved forward," Biggs said. "My curiosity got the better of me and I have to live with that for the rest of my life, and I'm so sorry."

Also set to be sentenced Thursday in Judge Kelly's courtroom is Zachary Rehl, the former leader of the group's Philadelphia chapter. Prosecutors are seeking 30 years in prison for Rehl."

We know that the FBI had informants in both the oathkeepers and the proud boys, but we also know that our government organizations are never involved in nefarious ****. Oh wait- two words "Newburgh Four"

Newburgh Four: poor, Black, and jailed under FBI ‘entrapment’ tactics

In June, four men were jailed for 25 years over a US terror plot. The FBI painted them as dedicated fanatics, but were they lured by the promise of cash from a fake informant? Paul Harris reports

www.theguardian.com

Judge orders release of 3 of 'Newburgh Four' and assails FBI's role in a post-9/11 terror sting

Three men convicted in a post-9/11 terrorism sting have been ordered freed from prison. U.S. District Judge Colleen McMahon on Thursday deemed their lengthy sentences “unduly harsh and unjust.”

apnews.com

https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/judge-orders-release-newburgh-four-scathing-18264430.php

“A person reading the crimes of conviction in this case would be left with the impression that the offending defendants were sophisticated international terrorists committed to jihad against the United States," the judge wrote. "However, they were, in actual reality, hapless, easily manipulated and penurious petty criminals.”

 

[LogGrad98]

The dude claimed he was "seduced" by the crowd and "curious". He also begged for leniency to care for his daughter.



"Addressing the court himself, Biggs became emotional as he sought to dispute the characterization of him as a "terrorist" and begged for leniency so he could one day be released to care for his daughter.

"On Jan. 6 I was seduced by the crowd and I just moved forward," Biggs said. "My curiosity got the better of me and I have to live with that for the rest of my life, and I'm so sorry."

This is the equivalent of "I'm sorry I got caught". **** these people. Lock them up.

Hey that would be a good chant! LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP! .... EVERYBODY.... LOCK THEM UP!

 

[One Brow]

We know that the FBI had informants in both the oathkeepers and the proud boys, but we also know that our government organizations are never involved in nefarious ****. Oh wait- two words "Newburgh Four"

The FBI has a long history of entrapping/enticing/encouraging illegality leftist organization, minority organizations, etc. They have been considerably less aggressive with rightists and white people until very recently, and the Proud Boys were not quiet about what they wanted to do. We don't want to be so skeptical we disbelieve the sky is blue.

 

[fishonjazz]

We know that the FBI had informants in both the oathkeepers and the proud boys, but we also know that our government organizations are never involved in nefarious ****. Oh wait- two words "Newburgh Four"

Newburgh Four: poor, Black, and jailed under FBI ‘entrapment’ tactics

In June, four men were jailed for 25 years over a US terror plot. The FBI painted them as dedicated fanatics, but were they lured by the promise of cash from a fake informant? Paul Harris reports

www.theguardian.com

Judge orders release of 3 of 'Newburgh Four' and assails FBI's role in a post-9/11 terror sting

Three men convicted in a post-9/11 terrorism sting have been ordered freed from prison. U.S. District Judge Colleen McMahon on Thursday deemed their lengthy sentences “unduly harsh and unjust.”

apnews.com

https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/judge-orders-release-newburgh-four-scathing-18264430.php

“A person reading the crimes of conviction in this case would be left with the impression that the offending defendants were sophisticated international terrorists committed to jihad against the United States," the judge wrote. "However, they were, in actual reality, hapless, easily manipulated and penurious petty criminals.”

Wait, are you insinuating that using informants to bring down criminals and criminal organization is a bad thing?

 

[Mongoose]

Wait, are you insinuating that using informants to bring down criminals and criminal organization is a bad thing?

Did you attempt to read any of the articles at all?

“Here, however, the government — in its understandable zeal to identify and capture individuals who would to do harm to the United States — used an unscrupulous operative to inveigle four impoverished men (principally by promising them money) into agreeing to commit serious terrorism offenses that they never could have dreamed up on their own, and then manipulated the facts of the offense so that the men had to be sentenced to at least 25 years in prison,” the judge wrote.

 

[Mongoose]

The FBI has a long history of entrapping/enticing/encouraging illegality leftist organization, minority organizations, etc. They have been considerably less aggressive with rightists and white people until very recently, and the Proud Boys were not quiet about what they wanted to do. We don't want to be so skeptical we disbelieve the sky is blue.

fool me once... Or you could just be complacent and not skeptical at all whatsoever because it isn't your political party or organization under attack, but it will be again or at some point, you can count on that. The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance not eternal complacency.

 

[fishonjazz]

fool me once... Or you could just be complacent and not skeptical at all whatsoever because it isn't your political party or organization under attack, but it will be again or at some point, you can count on that. The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance not eternal complacency.

Poor innocent proud boys and oath keepers getting picked on. Im sorry that you feel that your political party is under attack due to January 6th criminals, and trump, being prosecuted for criming. Just keep praying that in the future criminals will not get punished.

 

[Mongoose]

Poor innocent proud boys and oath keepers getting picked on. Im sorry that you feel that your political party is under attack due to January 6th criminals, and trump, being prosecuted for criming. Just keep praying that in the future criminals will not get punished.

It isn't my political party and I'd feel sorry if it were you and blue maga in this situation. I don't like seeing Americans called "terrorists", being stripped of their rights, prosecuted, and put in jail. I know I have more in common with blue maga folks and trumpers than I do with any of the corrupt criminal mobsters in washington.
I'll keep praying for the real criminals in washington to get punished.

 

[str8line]

It isn't my political party and I'd feel sorry if it were you and blue maga in this situation. I don't like seeing Americans called "terrorists", being stripped of their rights, prosecuted, and put in jail. I know I have more in common with blue maga folks and trumpers than I do with any of the corrupt criminal mobsters in washington.
I'll keep praying for the real criminals in washington to get punished.

Why are you talking parties when the issue is Trump's failed attempt at becoming a dictator and the people who aided him. They flied their stupid flags, put on cheerleading gear and dressed up like mercenaries and thought they could just take our country away from us and give it to him.

 

[One Brow]

I don't like seeing Americans called "terrorists", being stripped of their rights, prosecuted, and put in jail.

I don't like it either. Unfortunately, these men did the crime.

Have you come across any Oath Keepers/Proud Boys in your protests on the front lines? Seen them up close in action? Do you have any reason to think they are not who they say they are?

 

[silesian]

The dude claimed he was "seduced" by the crowd and "curious". He also begged for leniency to care for his daughter.



"Addressing the court himself, Biggs became emotional as he sought to dispute the characterization of him as a "terrorist" and begged for leniency so he could one day be released to care for his daughter.

"On Jan. 6 I was seduced by the crowd and I just moved forward," Biggs said. "My curiosity got the better of me and I have to live with that for the rest of my life, and I'm so sorry."

FAFO

 

[Mongoose]

I don't like it either. Unfortunately, these men did the crime.

Have you come across any Oath Keepers/Proud Boys in your protests on the front lines? Seen them up close in action? Do you have any reason to think they are not who they say they are?

I’m not sure who they are that you are referring to, the fbi, the media, the proud boys? I don’t have any life experience or interactions with the proud boys and I don’t know their history to be honest with you so I would be skeptical of what the proud boy’s say they are.
On the same token, I do have a history and I do know I’ve unquestionably been lied to many many times by the media and by the fbi, so certainly that would also lead me to be very skeptical of what they tell me about anything- including the proud boys.
I mean we know there were a number of high ranking informants in both organizations, yet they were totally unprepared for this “planned” and “carefully orchestrated”insurrection on Jan 6th by such a dangerous and evil terrorist group? Are they totally incompetent, or stupid, are they lying? I dunno, but history would indicate more than just a few lies coming from the media and fbi. That’s just me though, I’m not the type to proudly march along and nod my head. I also know there are many folks here who really despise people for asking questions which I don’t understand, but like I said I’m not the shut up and March along and do as I’m told crowd.

 

[One Brow]

I don’t have any life experience or interactions with the proud boys and I don’t know their history to be honest with you so I would be skeptical of what the proud boy’s say they are.

Some people tell exactly who they are. You have no reason to trust me, so I'll let you do your own research.

I mean we know there were a number of high ranking informants in both organizations, yet they were totally unprepared for this “planned” and “carefully orchestrated”insurrection on Jan 6th by such a dangerous and evil terrorist group? Are they totally incompetent, or stupid, are they lying?

As Marcus Ranum would likely say, all three.

I also know there are many folks here who really despise people for asking questions which I don’t understand, but like I said I’m not the shut up and March along and do as I’m told crowd.

Sometimes "just asking questions" is an aggressive way of saying that you don't want answers, which is when it is JAQing off.

 

[Fosto]

Love right wingers trying to gaslight us into believing white supremacist MAGA supporters aren't dime a dozen. Like we don't have access to social media and can see it for ourselves.

 

[Mongoose]

Some people tell exactly who they are. You have no reason to trust me, so I'll let you do your own research.

I don’t really care to know honestly. I’m not sure what I need to know. Our country has a long history of persecuting people, even way before the fbi; Native Americans, Mormons, African Americans, pretty much every type of immigrant, and so on. I know I wouldn’t see eye to eye with the Branch Dravidian’s, the Weavers, the Bundy’s or whoever, but that doesn’t mean I think we should drive over a bunch of their kids with tanks, and burn their houses down.

As Marcus Ranum would likely say, all three.

Never heard of him

Sometimes "just asking questions" is an aggressive way of saying that you don't want answers, which is when it is JAQing off.

This sounds like some kind of riddle to me which just makes me want to ask more questions…

 

[One Brow]

Never heard of him

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freethoughtblogs.com

He has a viewpoint similar to yours, but with more knowledge. I think you'll like him.

This sounds like some kind of riddle to me which just makes me want to ask more questions…

 

[fishonjazz]

Why are you talking parties when the issue is Trump's failed attempt at becoming a dictator and the people who aided him. They flied their stupid flags, put on cheerleading gear and dressed up like mercenaries and thought they could just take our country away from us and give it to him.

Because he is secretly a trumper. You can tell by his always one sided arguments.

 

[Red]

Why are you talking parties when the issue is Trump's failed attempt at becoming a dictator and the people who aided him. They flied their stupid flags, put on cheerleading gear and dressed up like mercenaries and thought they could just take our country away from us and give it to him.

The “coup” would never have worked. As far to the Right as the SC may be at the moment, they would not stand for this. Trump would have failed to remain in power. But that doesn’t mean we therefore just say “bad boy!”, or “oh well, who took it seriously anyway?”. Of course it’s right and proper and necessary to hold Trump and his co-conspirators to account.

When was the last time a sitting president tried to prevent a peaceful transfer of power? When was the last time a president spent over one hour watching American citizens trashing the People’s House on live TV, and what, munched cheeseburgers and enjoyed himself?? I’ll check my American history texts.

I think Mongoose believes FBI infiltrated groups like the Proud Boys in order to “help them”, so they could be blamed. I don’t think they really needed any help. Trump had already told them “Stand back and stand by”. But I sure do understand not trusting the FBI. Those of us in the anti-war movement in the Vietnam War era understood that much. Such cynicism is understandable to a point.

There was a fairly involved effort on the part of Trump and his direct helpers to remain in power. The last hurrah for that effort was the march on Congress on Jan. 6th. I feel badly, to a point, for citizens who showed up in the sincere belief that the election had been stolen from the man they voted for, and for coming to Washington that day to “help”, to “save” their nation. But most all of us know by now that they were duped. Most just milled around outside the Capital and never entered. And some, duped or not, have been held accountable for specific actions that day. Misguided patriotism, or Proud Boy radicalism, people are responsible for their actions. If the Proud Boys are bearing the brunt of long sentences, it is not the FBI’s fault in this instance, IMHO.

Now we’re approaching the toughest period of all, trying to hold Trump and his helpers to account. History, while not yet written, not yet having issued judgement, nonetheless expects this of us. History will not be kind if we drop the ball in holding such an act of unconstitutional audacity, striking at the heart of our democracy, to account. That’s just my opinion, but this is something we are trying to do, without the help of one of our two major parties. Unfortunately.

Who was the individual who duped everyone of those January 6th protestors? We know who it was. And if the GOP was not so intent on ramming an alternate reality, based on Orwellian Big Lies, down our throats, people like me would not be so concerned that there was a fairly strong fascistic movement alive today in the US of A.

 

[Red]

Hahaha…


View: https://twitter.com/MrEddie8976/status/1697277641194176804

 

[str8line]

Two more Proud Dorks being sentenced today. Will they hang a picture of their orange Deity on their cell wall?

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"The sentencing of Pezzola and Nordean follows U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly on Thursday ordering two other former Proud Boys leaders, Joseph Biggs and Zachary Rehl, to serve 17 years and 15 years in prison, respectively.

More than 1,100 people have been arrested on charges related to the Capitol assault. Of those, more than 630 have pleaded guilty and at least 110 have been convicted at trial."