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Don is going to sign that $209 mil extension in Cleveland and be their full time PG.

JB Bickerstaff, Jarrett Allen, and Darius Garland are out. Allen and Garland will be moved for better fitting pieces. He is not happy about the 2nd round exit and pushing his weight around to get improvements. He apparently wants it to work in Cleveland especially now that Brunson is the toast of NYC.

Total speculation on my part but could another superstar from Ohio be returning home to the Cavs again this offseason? Don and Lebron could make quite a pair similar to Lebron/Wade from a decade ago. That pairing might have a 2 year window to win a championship.
 
NAOS_pt2 said:
FWIW, I'm not a Garland fan. At all. Dude gets hunted by defense all game long and is ****ing addicted to his floater.
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He's definitely lost some of his shine since Don arrived. Garland just looked so small and weak against Orlando and Boston who are both bigger teams. That pairing with Garland didn't work any better than the Conley pairing with the Jazz. Klutch is reportedly going to apply pressure to get him out of Cleveland after Don assumably signs that extension. He would look fine throwing lobs to Wemby or as an upgrade to D'Angelo Russell in LA. He's still owed $40 per season over the next 4 years. Teams are getting smarter about not giving that kind of money to smaller one way players unless they are absolute superstars.
 
HeatCheck said:
He's definitely lost some of his shine since Don arrived. Garland just looked so small and weak against Orlando and Boston who are both bigger teams. That pairing with Garland didn't work any better than the Conley pairing with the Jazz. Klutch is reportedly going to apply pressure to get him out of Cleveland after Don assumably signs that extension. He would look fine throwing lobs to Wemby or as an upgrade to D'Angelo Russell in LA. He's still owed $40 per season over the next 4 years. Teams are getting smarter about not giving that kind of money to smaller one way players unless they are absolute superstars.
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Are they? You draft a guy at 5 you are paying him if he plays well. Teams just don't draft small players like that all that often.
 
KqWIN said:
Eh...not necessarily saying Key is a chucker, but the reason why he shoots so many "open" shots is because shots around the basket are way more likely to be "contested" by these definitions and the reverse is true for 3/long jumper being "open". This is moreso a reflection of his shot distribution rather than shot quality/decision making.

Regardless, I think "chucker" is more about an efficiency/volume equation and Key is definitely a high volume, low efficiency player. Like most rookies, he was just a very bad player. He showed promise but he certainly wasn't good outside of the rookie context.
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My definition of a chucker is more about shot selection and decission making. If you take open shots because of an action that made you open or the opponent sagging off of you, you are supposed to shoot... especially if we hope he actually becomes a valuable NBA player. He doesnt have many other paths with his skillset and size.

Regardless it is well documented that Hardy pushed him for higher volumes and told him to take open shots. So no matter how you or anyone defines a chucker, he was doing what the coach wanted and it wasnt all about his own tendencies.
 
HermanG said:
My definition of a chucker is more about shot selection and decission making. If you take open shots because of an action that made you open or the opponent sagging off of you, you are supposed to shoot... especially if we hope he actually becomes a valuable NBA player. He doesnt have many other paths with his skillset and size.

Regardless it is well documented that Hardy pushed him for higher volumes and told him to take open shots. So no matter how you or anyone defines a chucker, he was doing what the coach wanted and it wasnt all about his own tendencies.
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Seemed like he was a chucker in college but I could be misremembering

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Mavs can end the series at home in six games. If not, I'm down with these other game sevens. These playoffs are awesome (though it was disappointing seeing the Celtics dismantle Cleveland so easily).
 
kabenac said:
Mavs can end the series at home in six games. If not, I'm down with these other game sevens. These playoffs are awesome (though it was disappointing seeing the Celtics dismantle Cleveland so easily).
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Ya I'm rooting for Dallas but I actually kind of want OKC to win tonight

I love game sevens

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fishonjazz said:
Ya I'm rooting for Dallas but I actually kind of want OKC to win tonight

I love game sevens

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I'm rooting for Dallas as well. Nico Harrison has done a good job of giving Luka a solid supporting cast; it wasn't long ago when the team was bleak and Luka was getting frustrated. Sam Presti is great as well - it's cool seeing some change in the West and I hope we're in the mix sooner rather than later.
 
kabenac said:
Mavs can end the series at home in six games. If not, I'm down with these other game sevens. These playoffs are awesome (though it was disappointing seeing the Celtics dismantle Cleveland so easily).
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Cleveland put all their eggs in the basket held by Donovan "Fool's Gold" Mitchell. He just cannot lead a team to playoff success. Sad because I like Donovan. But he's really just empty stats.
 
HermanG said:
My definition of a chucker is more about shot selection and decission making. If you take open shots because of an action that made you open or the opponent sagging off of you, you are supposed to shoot... especially if we hope he actually becomes a valuable NBA player. He doesnt have many other paths with his skillset and size.

Regardless it is well documented that Hardy pushed him for higher volumes and told him to take open shots. So no matter how you or anyone defines a chucker, he was doing what the coach wanted and it wasnt all about his own tendencies.
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Just saying that you won’t find your definition’s truth in those numbers either. Those numbers don’t truly reflect taking “open” shots in the way you might think it does. What it really reflects is a lack of ability to get to the basket.

I would not say his decision making was good. For example, if he never improved, we would simply say he sucked. It’s ok because he was a rookie, but it’s definitely an area for improvement.
 
KqWIN said:
if he never improved, we would simply say he sucked. It’s ok because he was a rookie, but it’s definitely an area for improvement.
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This.

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Megadoo1 said:
Interesting graphical presentation ……

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Looking at that chart..... Boston is doing it the best. (Maybe OKC) Ideally you would be down on the list and at the same time one of the best teams in the league.

Boston is pretty low on the list and had the best record in the league and is close to a lock to be in the finals.

I wonder who did most of the team building for Boston......

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Here we go guys, I’m pumped for this game!

Time for OKC to go home.

PS: Kyrie is something like 13-0 on close out games.
 
What’s with coaches letting their teams take massive runs during games without timeouts? Even though the half was a few mins away, Jason, get your team under control. Instead, Dallas seemed to give up basket after basket with turnover after turnover right before the half. I swear it was a one possession game 3 mins ago. Take a timeout, have your team take a breath, and draw up a play. My goodness.
 
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