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Gamethread: Jazz v Lakers. 7pm MST.

r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
You expected that he would just stand on the court (on offense, anyway) and do nothing? I expected that he would make a ton of mistakes and occasionally make brilliant plays, like every other young player in the NBA that ever turned out to be anything. Instead, he just does... nothing.
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I had hoped he would be more aggressive, but I'm not entirely surprised either. It's certainly not enough for me to write him off as a ****ty player.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Even rookie can compete. I'm not even looking for him to be a world beater or even be good. I just want him to compete on the offensive end. To try to do something. Granted, history sshows guys who are this bad generally don't make it as really good players, but that isn't really even my point. As a Jazz fan and a basketball fan in general, it's just hard to watch a guy who won't do anything on one end of the floor. I just want him to go out and play. Make people guard him.
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Fair enough. Time will tell and at this point I am not even really thinking about it. Exum, if he is going to be good, will need plenty of time and the Jazz can give it to him.
 
Stoked said:
Fair enough. Time will tell and at this point I am not even really thinking about it. Exum, if he is going to be good, will need plenty of time and the Jazz can give it to him.
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In one year all the Dante naysayers will be eating their words and in three years they will be choking on them. I will be here to give them the heimlich because I'm nice like that.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Forgive me for expecting him to compete. For expecting him to try to attack people. Again, I'm not expecting anything good. I don't have a problem if he sucks. I just want to see a guy go out and try to make plays. He is a good defensive player, surprisingly good. I pointed to steals because it speaks to my frustration with him - just so passive, unwilling to make things happen. Soft. My bar is set really low for him - I expected him to suck. I didn't expect him to have a stretch where he would play 20 games, 450+ minutes without getting to the FT line. That is just scary pathetic.
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in just about any other situation X wouldn't get any minutes other then garbage time. His per's would look much better. He's getting far more minutes then he deserves. Its not as bad as u think it is
 
Thee jazz fan said:
in just about any other situation X wouldn't get any minutes other then garbage time. His per's would look much better. He's getting far more minutes then he deserves. Its not as bad as u think it is
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That's probably why we're so down on him. On most other teams he'd be getting a ton of DNP-CD's and a few minutes here and there in garbage time. If we're going to compete next season - and I think we owe that to Gordon, Derrick and Rudy - we HAVE to address the problems at PG.

With Alec coming back, that takes care of having another player besides Hayward who is going to penetrate. What we need is really a Fisher-like PG. Someone who can handle the ball as needed, but whose real role is to just hit 3's. Dante is kind of trying to play that way, but the problem is he can't shoot and our other guard spot has players that have also been pretty useless offensively (other than to pass the ball to Gordon).
 
That also explains the PER comparisons. O'Neal and such were playing against scrubs, Exum is playing against starters at the most stacked position in the league.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
I'm not sure what the word is to describe Exum on offense, but he might be the most stationary player in the league. Offensively the guy just does nothing. Defensively he's solid, but even on defense, doesn't make plays. 16 out of the last 24 games, he doesn't have a steal. Now 19 games in a row that he hasn't attempted a FT and 24 of the last 25. For a guy playing 25 minutes a game that is an embarrasingly pathetic statistic. Probaby an NBA record for futility. The excuse on Exum is that he's young, but history shows that when a guy is this bad, does so little, at age, 18, 19, 20 they simply don't become star NBA players. You look back at guys who came into the league either out of HS and become really good NBA players, they were never as bad or as "stationary" as Exum. Supposed to be a great passer. He plays 25 minutes and gets 3 assists a game. Embarrassing. Fellow rookie Jordan Clarkson made him look like a bitch last night. Hell, he is a bitch.

Watching Exum on the offensive end of the floor reminds of watching Jimmer on defense. All the other four guys are out there doing **** - making plays, creating shots, putting pressure on the defense, while Exum stands at the three point line and swings the ball around the perimeter. He doesn't compete on offense. He's a *****. He's soft. Again the excuse is that he's 19. Any 19 year old worth his **** since 19 year olds started playing in the NBA actually plays on the offensive end. Exum is garbage and an embarrassment. Quin Snyder wants to play him, wants him in the game and getting experience, and despite the fact that Trey Burke effing sucks, Snyder can't afford to keep Exum in the game in favor of Burke.

All of you jazzfanz who think Exum is a future star and a cornerstone of this franchise, I admire your optimism, but history shows even young guys simply are never this bad and turn in to great NBA players. Painful to watch.

/rant. Flame away.
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Fully agree that he is playing incredibly passively. He does show flashes, especially with passes. He makes some that Trey could only dream of. And his D is strong. Lets hope that despite the historical standards, he is the exception to that rule. I stiil trust DL and QS on this. Looks like it is going to take longer than we could hope, but he has shown spots of more assertiveness lately.
 
To all the Exum doubters/haters/doomsday-predictors...follow the advice of Aaron Rodgers. It'll be okay...
 
Hantlers said:
That also explains the PER comparisons. O'Neal and such were playing against scrubs, Exum is playing against starters at the most stacked position in the league.
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Exum became a starter only recently.
 
Hantlers said:
Still the most stacked position in the league. He shouldn't even be playing as much as he has been, he just isn't ready.
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I don't disagree. His per sucks mainly because he isn't ready for this level of competition. But I'm not that worried. His defense is really nice, even though he's so weak he flies 10 feet each time someone brushes up against him. With added strength and experience, I have little doubt he'll be one of the best defensive PGs in the league. He just needs to improve offensively. Even if he doesn't become great offensively, that's okay. Rondo is a winner and he sucks offensively.
 
I didn't have high expectations for exum this year.

I also didn't expect our #5 pick that we tanked for to be the worst rookie in the history of the nba.

I would be fine with his play if he was picked at the very end of the 2nd round though
 
Hantlers said:
Still the most stacked position in the league. He shouldn't even be playing as much as he has been, he just isn't ready.
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The reason he shouldn't be playing as much as he has is because he isn't good enough (he sucks right now)
Which is basically what sjf is saying. So you guys agree
 
Siro said:
Exum became a starter only recently.
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And he was put in that position NOT because he earned it, but because playing with the starters might allow him to just focus on passing and defense. If there are four other starters who can score, that group doesn't really need a 5th guy to take shots.

Even Lindsey said he was just a "placeholder" right now while in the game. I'd argue he is better than that on defense, but he contributes very little on offense, A basket and a great pass in 20 mins really isn't enough contribution to justify him being a starter. But the other alternative right now is a player who thinks he's Michael Jordan. No, I take that back...even MJ was willing to pass.
 
fishonjazz said:
The reason he shouldn't be playing as much as he has is because he isn't good enough (he sucks right now)
Which is basically what sjf is saying. So you guys agree
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Not really. I think Exum is doing fine for the situation that he's in. Clearly he isn't that good yet, but I still think he will be. SJF is writing him off right now, saying that he won't be any good. So no, we don't agree.
 
I'm going on record and saying that Exum will be completely different in Year 2. IF he truly is a hard worker. His natural talent is all we're seeing right now. After an off season of hitting the weights and hard training, he'll have much more strength and explosiveness. Which will allow him to be more aggressive. Right now, he just looks un-prepared and he knows it.

I do worry about him being a mouth breather, he's still sucking wind out there and we're halfway through the season.
 
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