This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

[gregbroncs]

1. Two seasons ago, I would have loved for some of AJ's minutes to go to Kanter. With that said, it's a pretty minor gripe. AJ and Millsap would have received big minutes (relative to Kanter and Favors) under every coach in the league. They were fringe all-stars in their prime, and have continued to be productive bi minute players since leaving. If that core was going nowhere, and it was time to start anew with young players (including building a suitable system around them), the responsibility lies entirely with the FO to make the appropriate moves.

2. Coaches build systems around their personnel. Building a defense around Rudy Gobert is a hell of a lot easier than building one around Al Jefferson (and a bunch of weak young perimeter players). What are the main differences between Ty's defense last season and Quin's defense this season?

I'm talking about Richard Jefferson. The guy playing more than Burks most of the season, and almost as much as Hayward. My gripe is that Richard Jefferson was playing instead of Burks, Hayward both better than him that year. He pretty much announced he was leaving and didn't lose any minutes after. Despite the FO showing that they were going young to develop young guys. Corbin had Gobert. He didn't play him. And he had Veterans in Richard Jefferson starting all season on the wing. His defensive system sucked, his offensive system was a joke. Gobert improved dramatically this year because he played. Last year it was more important to Ty to get Richard Jefferson and Marvin Williams minutes than Gobert and Burks. It's his fault he couldn't build a defense around Gobert, he had him available.

 

[LogGrad98]

I hate to break it to everyone but before Rudys emergence our defense sucked. Quin may have been preaching defense but it took a player with defense in his blood to get the ball rolling.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

I hate to break it to everyone but before Rudys emergence our defense sucked. Quin may have been preaching defense but it took a player with defense in his blood to get the ball rolling.

It's almost safe to say that most teams with Rudy would be at least an above average defensive team.

 

[spycam1]

I hate to break it to everyone but before Rudys emergence our defense sucked. Quin may have been preaching defense but it took a player with defense in his blood to get the ball rolling.

Inserting Exum into the starting lineup also contributed to the defensive improvement.

 

[GVC]

I'm talking about Richard Jefferson. The guy playing more than Burks most of the season, and almost as much as Hayward. My gripe is that Richard Jefferson was playing instead of Burks, Hayward both better than him that year. He pretty much announced he was leaving and didn't lose any minutes after. Despite the FO showing that they were going young to develop young guys. Corbin had Gobert. He didn't play him. And he had Veterans in Richard Jefferson starting all season on the wing. His defensive system sucked, his offensive system was a joke. Gobert improved dramatically this year because he played. Last year it was more important to Ty to get Richard Jefferson and Marvin Williams minutes than Gobert and Burks. It's his fault he couldn't build a defense around Gobert, he had him available.

Burks got plenty of minutes. Bringing him off the bench (along with Kanter) gave him more opportunities to play on-ball. RJ filled an off-ball role (and was a more physical defender). This is pretty minor; I doubt a few more minutes per game, with a lot more minutes played off-ball would have made any difference in Alec's development.

As for Rudy, we have no idea how he looked in practice, and he didn't really show all that much in the spot minutes he received last season.

 

[Coach Ellis]

I hate to break it to everyone but before Rudys emergence our defense sucked. Quin may have been preaching defense but it took a player with defense in his blood to get the ball rolling.

Quin was preaching defense, but stuck starting Kanter and Burke until Gobert and Exum proved up to the task. Many thought Gobert was too raw for extended minutes and nearly everyone thought Exum would bust hard in the starting lineup. Kudos to Quin for having faith in his guys.

 

[Getting Traded]

What are the main differences between Ty's defense last season and Quin's defense this season?

Probably the biggest difference in the defense is intensity. Ty did not inspire the players with confidence because he didn't appear confident himself, and he always was so blasé and without passion. Quin, on the other hand, is very intense and sure of himself, and it has carried over to the team.

 

[GVC]

You don't get it... here is how it works:

1. predict this season will vindicate Corbin.
2. put a prediction that an average coach will win 35 wins with the youngest team in the league in the west.
3. say that a 40 win season will be more than enough to win your love.

4. return one month before the end of the season when it looks more and more like it's possible for this coach to actually win 40 games or at least come close to it; change the terms to include stuff like "changing the system" into the consideration, but don't share why that would actually increase the likelihood of this move raising the win-total as opposed to decreasing it, especially with the expectation that the season would vindicate Corbin.
5. fail to take into account injuries that forced Snyder to play D-Leaguers serious minutes for more than half the season.
6. Declare victory...

Unless you used to be someone else, you haven't been around long enough to understand Franklin. He added a much needed contrary element to the groupthink on the board, and almost always supported his arguments with insightful information. Instead of engaging him intellectually, the vast majority of people on the board threw **** around like ****ing apes, and effectively drove him away. He pops up now and then to troll a little now, probably because there's no one left willing to have an intelligent, nuanced discussion on the Jazz board.

 

[GVC]

Probably the biggest difference in the defense is intensity. Ty did not inspire the players with confidence because he didn't appear confident himself, and he always was so blasé and without passion. Quin, on the other hand, is very intense and sure of himself, and it has carried over to the team.

You have an incredible ability to start with a narrative, and then create evidence to support it.

 

[MT Steve]

I feel terrible for Ty Corbin. He develops this team for years, and then right before the fruits of his labors finally pay off and they become good, he gets shown the door.

 

[stitches]

Unless you used to be someone else, you haven't been around long enough to understand Franklin. He added a much needed contrary element to the groupthink on the board, and almost always supported his arguments with insightful information. Instead of engaging him intellectually, the vast majority of people on the board threw **** around like ****ing apes, and effectively drove him away. He pops up now and then to troll a little now, probably because there's no one left willing to have an intelligent, nuanced discussion on the Jazz board.

I haven't been here to witness his previous self thus all I can judge him by is what I see now. And indeed, it looks awfully like a troll job. thus the dismissive tone of my posts towards some of his posts.

 

[gregbroncs]

I hate to break it to everyone but before Rudys emergence our defense sucked. Quin may have been preaching defense but it took a player with defense in his blood to get the ball rolling.

Actually it was improving before the change. It's just that when Gobert was inserted it took a dramatic leap forward. And that is when everybody noticed.

 

[franklin]

You don't get it... here is how it works:

1. predict this season will vindicate Corbin.
2. put a prediction that an average coach will win 35 wins with the youngest team in the league in the west.
3. say that a 40 win season will be more than enough to win your love.

4. return one month before the end of the season when it looks more and more like it's possible for this coach to actually win 40 games or at least come close to it; change the terms to include stuff like "changing the system" into the consideration, but don't share why that would actually increase the likelihood of this move raising the win-total as opposed to decreasing it, especially with the expectation that the season would vindicate Corbin.
5. fail to take into account injuries that forced Snyder to play D-Leaguers serious minutes for more than half the season.
6. Declare victory...

That's a bit petty considering what I said credits Quin for any loss relating to his changes taking time.

As far as injuries go, good pointing that out. All teams deal with injuries and this team has had Hood and no D Alec as the main outs. Both going down probably helped the team play better. It was a plus in the win column giving Joe Ingles more minutes.

 

[franklin]

Quin was preaching defense, but stuck starting Kanter and Burke until Gobert and Exum proved up to the task. Many thought Gobert was too raw for extended minutes and nearly everyone thought Exum would bust hard in the starting lineup. Kudos to Quin for having faith in his guys.

Sounds like the situation Corbin was stuck with. Too bad management didn't trade Kanter years ago.

 

[Zulu]

Burks!!!

 

[Coach Ellis]

Sounds like the situation Corbin was stuck with. Too bad management didn't trade Kanter years ago.

I don't dispute that Corbin got stuck in a crappy situation. But he was in way over his head right from the start. He alienated the young core players with his rotations and minute dustribution, and I don't believe that he was a very good developmental coach. I think he was just trying to hang onto his job and the young guys suffered as a result. He just seemed disorganized and had s poor feel for how to lead a team. Nice guy. Good assistant coach. Terrible head coach.

 

[Dr. Jones]

your mom would be disappointed in you, frank. You just ain't right.

 

[b_line]

I promise, it's not that hard. As my wife tells me all the time.

Sounds like a very crappy problem.

 

[LogGrad98]

It's almost safe to say that most teams with Rudy would be at least an above average defensive team.

It was also a no-brainer as crappy as Burke was playing on both ends of the court. Didn't take a genius to try something else.

 

[Spinoza]

I feel terrible for Ty Corbin. He develops this team for years, and then right before the fruits of his labors finally pay off and they become good, he gets shown the door.

It's much more likely the Jazz would still be playing like uninspired trash if Corbin was still here. Of course it's hard for me to talk since I could barely bring myself to watch Corbin-led teams. I just know that whenever I did it was so sad and disappointing and the coach was so clearly clueless that I had to immediately turn it off. What a sad time it was to be a Jazz fan.