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Would you trade Exum for Lavine?

would you trade Exum for Lavine

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Broncster said:
Some people might make that argument. I dont think Exum sucks right now. I do think he has a lot of developing to do, which he will. Exum is an above average defender for his position in the league. that is half of the game. He is below average offense but not as bad as some make it out to be. He is playing within the system and trying not to make mistakes. People here want a scoring pg from Exum, for some reason, even though fans have been begging for a pass first pg which is what Exum is. He is developing fine and he is completely worn out from this season.

Stocktons numbers his first three years in the league were not that great, he developed pretty well. Stockton was also 4 years older when he was a rookie. Stockton was not doing much in college when he was the same age as Exum.

Would Jazz fans be happy next year if Exum puts up the same stats Stockton did in his 2nd season? He averaged 7.7 points on 48% shooting and 13 percent on threes and 7.1 assist

Stop hoping Exum skips steps in development and start appreciating he is learning the game right, trying to play smart winning basketball. He is listening to the coaches and doing what they ask of him.

The coaching staff knows what they are doing with Exum, there is a reason he is not driving to the rack every possession. He will drive more when he gets the game down.

Exum has shown he has elite potential at defense and passing and an ability to hit open set threes. Seems like a dream player for this team. When other parts of his game develop, when he puts as much effort into them as he is on other parts of his game, watch out.

Exum will be the second best PG in Utah Jazz history. Some will argue the best because he will have a chip to hang his hat on.
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I agree Exum could still be good. I just think Lavine can be better, and probably will be.
 
UGLI baby said:
This season is the least I have ever followed the NBA, but if Lavine is being compared to Westbrook it's like a super duper poor mans Westbrook that dunks awesome, right??
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No. Not really.

Hes turning out to be a lot more than just a dunker. I see a lot of potential there. He might still be a poor man's Westbrook, but not by much.

Lavine already looks like he's going to be a good shooter, a good passer, and good handles, with the upside of being great at all those things, on top of being a great dunker. He's making mistakes like you would expect any 19 year old to do. He shows a lot of flashes of being special.

I'm kicking myself for taking TJ Warren over him now. I debated the two heavily, but wasn't sure then. I'm pretty sure now. I already tried to get Rowcheestew to trade him to me, but he wont. He's pretty high on him too.

The only thing that Exum looks better at than Lavine is defense. And Exum plays a little more under control, but to a point that it's a negative. I'd take the mistakes Lavine makes, for his upside
 
No, Lavine plays for himself, not the team. He'll randomly jack up a shot at any time, guarded or not. Those type of players have a ceiling of Nick Young. While I've lost all hope Exum will be a star, he could still be a Rubio variant.
 
Hack said:
And Exum plays a little more under control, but to a point that it's a negative. I'd take the mistakes Lavine makes, for his upside
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I see those mistakes as learning the game wrong and picking up bad habits. I would like Exum to make a few more mistakes but I dont think the coaching staff does and they know more than I do about development than me. They seem to pull him for small mistakes like not shooting open shots, not making the right pass, not getting the team into the offense correctly, messing up a defensive assignment and coach him up then send him back in. I trust our staff to develop players correctly. I think if Exum had been drafted by Minnesota he would be driving a lot more like he did in the U18 games.
 
r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
Exum's decision to never, ever attempt a shot at the rim is far worse than any mistakes Levine and Burke are making.
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I dont dislike Burke as much as most on this board do. I think he shooting will improve and his decision making will improve but I would rather watch a team play good solid basketball and good defense. I dont like watching players jack up stupid shots because they think they are better than they are, Lavine is very frustrating to watch as is Burke a lot of the time.

But to each their own, people like different ****.
 
Broncster said:
I see those mistakes as learning the game wrong and picking up bad habits. I would like Exum to make a few more mistakes but I dont think the coaching staff does and they know more than I do about development than me. They seem to pull him for small mistakes like not shooting open shots, not making the right pass, not getting the team into the offense correctly, messing up a defensive assignment and coach him up then send him back in. I trust our staff to develop players correctly. I think if Exum had been drafted by Minnesota he would be driving a lot more like he did in the U18 games.
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And if we picked Lavine?

You don't think the the Jazz could make something special of him and teach how to play right?

I think where you end up as player has a lot to do with how you turn out. I don't think it's based on destiny. I think players succeed for a lot of different reasons, and likewise fail as well. Two is the fit and who is teaching them.
 
Hack said:
And if we picked Lavine?

You don't think the the Jazz could make something special of him and teach how to play right?

I think where you end up as player has a lot to do with how you turn out. I don't think it's based on destiny. I think players succeed for a lot of different reasons, and likewise fail as well. Two is the fit and who is teaching them.
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good points

one thing i will say for lavine is his shooting stroke looks really nice compared to Dante
 
Hack said:
And if we picked Lavine?

You don't think the the Jazz could make something special of him and teach how to play right?

I think where you end up as player has a lot to do with how you turn out. I don't think it's based on destiny. I think players succeed for a lot of different reasons, and likewise fail as well. Two is the fit and who is teaching them.
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I think the Jazz would develop him better than Minnesota. I dont think he will ever be a pass first PG or a PG that looks to improve his teamates. I think his basketball IQ is low based on his career so far and I dont see that changing drastically even if Jazz drafted him.

Based on our team and the Snyders system Exum is a much better fit long term. This team is set up for a selfless, high IQ, low mistakes PG.

Its also much easier to develop a player who works hard, has high IQ, is very competitive and grew up learning fundamentals of basketball. Lavine grew up coddled and seemingly spent his time working on his 1v1 skills and dunks. The way his dad acted when he was in college really turned me off from him as well.

I am not saying there are not things I like about Lavine, I just like Exum better long term and short term.
 
Jazz4ever said:
No, Lavine plays for himself, not the team. He'll randomly jack up a shot at any time, guarded or not. Those type of players have a ceiling of Nick Young. While I've lost all hope Exum will be a star, he could still be a Rubio variant.
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Kobe is that type of player.
I think Kobe was better than Nick young
 
Zack Lavine has a 46" vertical leap. He has incredible shooting range and is actually aggressive. I thought he had the more potential at draft day and Exum has shown NOTHING. Exum is useless on the court and I don't think that's going to improve dramatically next year. He has zero bball iq and I would be shocked if he improves next year. Let's admit it, HE"S A BUST.
 
Lavine's D made Kanter look like Gobert. Dude will have sweet dunks and put up good #'s but his team will always suck balls.
 
sojodave said:
Zack Lavine has a 46" vertical leap. He has incredible shooting range and is actually aggressive. I thought he had the more potential at draft day and Exum has shown NOTHING. Exum is useless on the court and I don't think that's going to improve dramatically next year. He has zero bball iq and I would be shocked if he improves next year. Let's admit it, HE"S A BUST.
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So why don't you contact the Utah Jazz organization and ask them to hold a press conference and explain why they chose Dante Exum over Zack Lavine. Clearly your view holds far more weight than the due diligence the Jazz organisation took when studying and interviewing all the draft choices before making their selection.

Even though the Jazz came out right from the start and said that Exum was a project and was drafted not for what he can do now, but for the type of player they feel he can develop into.

Little did the Jazz know is that all they had to do was give you a phone call and then drafted Lavine because he has incredible shooting range and is far more aggressive.

I don't mind people having opinions, but I just don't understand why people follow sports teams and then whine about the decisions they make when trying to rebuild their team

This subject is a question for 2 or 3 years time.
 
I like Lavine... Dante has more upside. Zach's defense is god awful... he'll probably improve. Dante's defense is really good and we don't know about his offense. I'd take Dante today and my guess is in 3 or 4 years the debate won't be close.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I like Lavine... Dante has more upside. Zach's defense is god awful... he'll probably improve. Dante's defense is really good and we don't know about his offense.
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I would argue that we do know about Dante's offense, and it's awful. Just as bad as Zach's defense.

Lavine is a MUCH better player right now, but I still would not trade Dante for him. We had to know when drafting him that Dante's learning curve was going to be huge. I'm expecting major leaps from Dante next year. Plus, we don't really need a wing scorer right now. I think Lavine ends up being a really good starting 2. We HAVE to find a good PG.

I don't get why people keep bashing Lavine's BB IQ. He's averaging more assists per minute than Dante, and that is with far worse players around him. He does average an extra TO per game, but I chalk that up to being aggressive and learning. Just because the guy put his head down at the draft doesn't mean he's not a smart player or good teammate. I follow the wolves pretty closely and from all account Lavine is the hardest working person on the team. Apparently he has repeatedly asked to skip some team activities (bowling, movies, dinner) to stay in the gym with a coach and work on his game.

As for Dante, not many players averaging 4 pts, 2 assists, 1.5 rebounds a game get to play 22 minutes a game. He should consider himself fortunate. He HAS to improve substantially just to stick in the league. I think he will.
 
sojodave said:
Zack Lavine has a 46" vertical leap. He has incredible shooting range and is actually aggressive. I thought he had the more potential at draft day and Exum has shown NOTHING. Exum is useless on the court and I don't think that's going to improve dramatically next year. He has zero bball iq and I would be shocked if he improves next year. Let's admit it, HE"S A BUST.
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Please tell me you're trolling! Please!
 
Agree with Alaskin Assassin. Dante will get better, but these arguments against Lavine are stupid at best. Lavine is a very hard worker who wants to get better. You pair that with his size, age, natural aggressiveness and incredible talent, and it is really hard to imagine him as failing.
 
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