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Lowry anybody?

Wait just a second... Our two biggest needs are better point guard play and a stretch big. We get both on reasonable salaries in one trade without mortgaging the future and we aren't in. This is silly.

Look at the players who have been selected at 12 historically... It is likely that Patterson is better than whoever we would select at the 12. I'd like to move up the draft board as well but we have to have a trade partner to do that. I am not sure our assets line up well with any of the 6-9 teams. Piling on an extra pick doesn't always get the job done.

Exum can still develop... The ideas of bringing in a vet and developing Exum aren't mutually exclusive. If Exum develops faster than expected we can still trade Lowry.
 
Huge upgrade, but like Ty Lawson, he wouldn't fit our defensive switching strategy (he is 6'1" at best).
I like George Hill better for our team.
 
I'm not a huge Lowry fan but if all we have to give up is trey and picks then hell yes I do that trade
 
KD's Framily said:
I'd do it in a heartbeat. It's a bit of a stretch to believe those assets we're giving up would turn out to be as good as Lowry/Patterson, and Lowry's contract will have amazing trade value in both '16-17 and '17-18.

Not doing it for the sake of developing Exum is just stupid as hell. If he pans out, we can always trade Lowry, but let's at least wait until Exum becomes better than God-awful before turning down amazing trades for the sake of giving Exum more minutes.
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GVC said:
Why? The Jazz don't need any more depth, they need better top-end talent.

Lowry's fire would fit very well on the Jazz. Prior to this season, he'd never attempted more than 13.6 field goals per 36; less than Favors, Kanter, Burke and Hayward from this year's Jazz team. I don't think chucking would be a big concern, especially since he's been playing for a coach who only seems to be able to draw up perimeter isos the last couple seasons. Not sure the deal in the OP is all that great, but if you can get Lowry without giving up too much, it's worth giving it a try. His contract is very tradeable.
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Lowry is a short term fix at best. You have to consider the future in trades, especially when you have a young team. Lowry isn't getting ant better, he's knocking on 30's door, he's injury prone, and he's not playing all that good in the playoffs this year.

He doesn't fit in with where this team is going. In 3 years from now, where will this team be? Probably not as good as position as we would be had we not done the trade. He's not bringing us a championship, so it's not worth it. And it could very well turn into an untradable contract really quick.

You don't give up assets to make a small jump forward for a very short period of time, and take on all sorts of risk. It's a bad idea on so many levels.

Pros: We might win a few more games for a short period of time

Cons: Lowry progressively gets worse, we can't make a free agent move for a few years. We lose Booker. We lose all the assets listed. Lowry possibly brings negative energy and bad chemistry. We possibly lose Exum because he demands a trade. Lowry possibly gets injured making it a huge effing waste. We lose out on what could have been had we not made the trade. Maybe that 12th pick turned into a star.
 
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It's a good thing DL isn't dumb and won't make no stupid *** trade like this anways. He's no Billy King.
 
Hack said:
Lowry is a short term fix at best. You have to consider the future in trades, especially when you have a young team. Lowry isn't getting ant better, he's knocking on 30's door, he's injury prone, and he's not playing all that good in the playoffs this year.

He doesn't fit in with where this team is going. In 3 years from now, where will this team be? Probably not as good as position as we would be had we not done the trade. He's not bringing us a championship, so it's not worth it. And it could very well turn into an untradable contract.rcontract really quick.

You don't give up a assets to make a small jump forward for a very short period of time, and take on all sorts of risk. It's a bad idea on so many levels.

Pros: We might win a few more games for a short period of time

Cons: Lowry progressively gets worse, we can't make a free agent move for a few years. We lose Booker. We lose all the assets listed. Lowry possibly brings negative energy and bad chemistry. We possibly lose Exum because he demands a trade. Lowry possibly gets injured making it a huge effing waste. We lose out on what could have been had we not made the trade. Maybe that 12th pick turned into a star.
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1. Any veteran upgrade would be for a limited amount of time, take minutes away from another (young) player, and eat into potential future cap space. I agree that Lowry doesn't perfectly fit with the age and trajectory of the current roster, but with the current length of NBA contracts, the roster will likely look a lot different in three years (when Lowry expires) regardless. I don't think anyone disagrees that adding a young (potential) star would be better, but a package featuring a collection of mediocre assets isn't going to get you there (the Harden trade is an incredible exception).

2. 3 years at $12mil for an above average starting PG will not turn into an untradeable contract. At worst, it can be dumped for cap relief.

3. Lowry is a killer. His mentality is perfect for the current Jazz team. I don't see his attitude becoming a problem unless Quin and the young guys turn into complacent losers.


FWIW, I'm not sure I give up everything suggested in the OP (which is what I said in my post). I'd definitely swap Burke plus the OKC or GS pick for Lowry, for example.
 
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GVC said:
FWIW, I'm not sure I give up everything suggested in the OP (which is what I said in my post). I'd definitely swap Burke plus the OKC or GS pick for Lowry, for example.
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I don't know why Toronto would do it. If they're rebuilding, surely they would want a PG with better potential than Trey freaking Burke! And both GS and OKC's picks are mid-to-late 1st round picks. Why would they trade their, arguably, best asset, for a bunch of mediocre assets that won't help them all that much in the long term. I honestly don't think Burke + GS pick + OKC pick would get it done. As much I'd love Lowry, Toronto would probably expect a good player or a lottery pick in return.
 
With the cap rising his contract would pretty much never become untradable. And if Exum's level jumps to the point where he's not needed(hell, I don't think I'd mind having a backup of the quality of Lowry for that price), we can probably trade him and even get real asset(s) back in a couple of years.
 
Siro said:
I don't know why Toronto would do it. If they're rebuilding, surely they would want a PG with better potential than Trey freaking Burke! And both GS and OKC's picks are mid-to-late 1st round picks. Why would they trade their, arguably, best asset, for a bunch of mediocre assets that won't help them all that much in the long term. I honestly don't think Burke + GS pick + OKC pick would get it done. As much I'd love Lowry, Toronto would probably expect a good player or a lottery pick in return.
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I can see that.

On one hand, Toronto should theoretically blow it up because that team isn't going anywhere, but on the other hand, they were bad for so long, and probably don't want to experience another rebuild right now.

But if it were me, I'd take my medicine and blow it up while you still can get assets back for your players. They just have to be able to draft better. But apparently they cant, so I can see why it scares them.
 
stitches said:
With the cap rising his contract would pretty much never become untradable. And if Exum's level jumps to the point where he's not needed(hell, I don't think I'd mind having a backup of the quality of Lowry for that price), we can probably trade him and even get real asset(s) back in a couple of years.
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What if he blows out a knee or achilles? You telling me that's still a tradable contract?

He's very injury prone so it's very likely, and he's gonna be 30 next year. And it's still 12 Million a year. It's not peanuts.
 
Hack said:
What if he blows out a knee or achilles? You telling me that's still a tradable contract? He's very injury prone so it's very likely
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How is Kyle Lowry very injury prone? Is there some other Kyle Lowry who's actually had a major injury?
 
Hack said:
What if he blows out a knee or achilles? You telling me that's still a tradable contract?

He's very injury prone so it's very likely, and he's gonna be 30 next year. And it's still 12 Million a year. It's not peanuts.
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What's his history with knee and achilles injuries? He's not the healthiest player ever but he's missed only 14 games for the last 2 seasons(28 games in last 3 years). That's about what you can expect to be missed by any player in the league on average. The risk is not any higher than the risk that Trey or our #12 will rupture an Achilles or suffer ACL tear.

12M with the new CBA would be equivalent to about 8-9M currently. I don't get how you are comparing 12M in a 90-100M salary cap market to a 20-25M in a 60M market(Billy King trades and contracts)...
 
GVC said:
How is Kyle Lowry very injury prone? Is there some other Kyle Lowry who's actually had a major injury?
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Excluding his Rookie season where he only played 10 games ( and I don't remember if it's because of injury or not) he has only averaged 57.6 games per season. He played 82 once, and that was his 2nd season. I don't remember exactly what games were lost to injury, but I do remember him being injured quite a bit through out his career.
 
stitches said:
What's his history with knee and achilles injuries? He's not the healthiest player ever but he's missed only 14 games for the last 2 seasons(28 games in last 3 years). That's about what you can expect to be missed by any player in the league on average. The risk is not any higher than the risk that Trey or our #12 will rupture an Achilles or suffer ACL tear.

12M with the new CBA would be equivalent to about 8-9M currently. I don't get how you are comparing 12M in a 90-100M salary cap market to a 20-25M in a 60M market(Billy King trades and contracts)...
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Yes, the injury risk is higher as you get older. That's a fact. I guarantee more people suffer achilles tears in their 30's playing sports than they do in their 20's.
 
Hack said:
Excluding his Rookie season where he only played 10 games ( and I don't remember if it's because of injury or not) he has only averaged 57.6 games per season.
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You might want to check your math, consider that there was a 66-game season mixed in, and take note that the season he missed the most games he was on the outs with his coach and had a bacterial infection. Dude hasn't had a significant injury in his career. Excluding his rookie season, he's averaged 70.75 games per year, even with the 66-game season.
 
GVC said:
You might want to check your math, consider that there was a 66-game season mixed in, and take note that the season he missed the most games he was on the outs with his coach and had a bacterial infection. Dude hasn't had a significant injury in his career.
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Why would I check my math? He still has averaged 57.6 games per season even with the 66 game season.

He hasn't had a major injury, but he sits a lot with minor injuries, and he's not getting any younger, so I doubt it's going to get better.
 
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