spycam1
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Passing ability/BBIQ is probably going to be very high on the list of traits they look for in prospects, too. There's no room for dumb asses in Quin's system.
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Passing ability/BBIQ is probably going to be very high on the list of traits they look for in prospects, too. There's no room for dumb asses in Quin's system.
I notice JJ Redick and that only makes me want Devin Booker even more.
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chargers moved up and drafted Melvin Gordon who I wanted so I have faith the jazz will move up and draft hezonja.
Makes sense.
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I am wanting kaminsky today
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Redick has proved to be a starter quality player on a contender. If you can get that at 12, you take it all day. We complain about Booker's wingspan, but Redick's was only 6'3".
No. DIdn't play at UK last time I checked.
Also Schroeder has been putting up terrible numbres in teh playoffs.
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I don't love or hate the idea of Kaminsky. I do think the Jazz want to continue building off our defensive identity, which would probably mean Kaminsky isn't super high on their list, even if we desperately need more outside shooting. The key is to add shooting without compromising our new found stellar defense. For where we're picking, that spells Looney to me.
Kaminksy as a 4 doesnt seem that bad on D to me. Moves his feet very well. He just can't rim protect well. He wouldn't be good with Booker, but would work with Favors or Gobert.
Kaminksy would just make our offense way more dynamic and I don't think we would sacrifice that much defensively along as he is on the floor with Favors or Gobert at all times.
Let’s talk about potential or upside. I think it’s one of the most misunderstood characteristics in the draft.
Of this year’s 40 top Real +/- players in the NBA:
25 were drafted below the top five of their draft classes
22 were drafted below the top 10 of their draft classes
18 were drafted below the top 15 of their draft classes
Just to get a sense of whether these players were viewed as high upside or high potential prospects in the draft, I looked at the nbadraft.net ratings to see whether “potential” was one of their top attributes. (Yes, I know I’m treading in dangerous waters going to that site, but I think in the aggregate it probably does a fair job of representing whether players were considered to have high upsides or not).
Five players weren’t rated, but of the 20 (of the 25 above) that were, only 7 had “potential” as one of their two highest qualities, and for several of these 7, “potential” was tied with one or more other qualities. These players were Middleton (hard to believe), Zach Randolph, Deandre Jordan, Lowry, George Hill, Mirotic, and Bledsoe.
The average “potential” score for those 20 players was 7.75/10, which if you’ve spent any time at nbadraft.net, you’ll know is nothing special. Some notable low scores: Draymond Green 6, Millsap 7, Jimmy Butler 6, Klay Thompson 7, Matthews 6, Olynyk 7, Splitter 7.
To add to this, here’s what DX had to say about some of these players:
Stephen Curry: battles but defense limited by “poor physical tools”; because of average first step he’ll “probably need to have some other shot creators playing alongside him”
Kawhi Leonard: “lack of a go-to offensive skill”; “offensive inefficiency”
Draymond Green: “defensive deficiencies have become even more pronounced as a senior”; too small for post, too slow for perimeter; “difficult to project him as an adequate NBA defender”; with his versatility, maybe he can get drafted, make a roster or even earn a spot role.
Khris Middleton: “hasn’t progressed much as a player” from earlier seasons; “just average length”; real questions if game can translate against more athletic players; “struggles to move well laterally”
Paul Millsap: “his upside is not off the charts”; “footwork not nearly as polished” as fellow tweeners Ike Diogu and Sean May
Gordon Hayward: “questionable athleticism”; “he won’t be relied upon to create late in the shot clock or carry his team”; defensive potential iffy because of “lack of lateral quickness and physical strength”; “lack of athleticism raises questions about his long-term potential”
Jimmy Butler: “not a tremendous physical specimen”; “lacks explosiveness, a strong frame, and great lateral quickness”; defensively “Butler’s best asset is his wingspan”; lack of leaping ability [editorial comment: just wow!!]
Marc Gasol: well-rounded player in Europe, but lack of athleticism makes him a real question mark for NBA
Klay Thompson: “athletic limitations”; “struggles on the defensive end”; “taken off the dribble often”; “he’d have to do a lot of work to become even an average NBA defender overall”; “probably doesn’t have significant upside beyond what he is now due to his athletic limitations”
Damian Lillard: “struggled in a couple of his higher profile games”
Wesley Matthews: “doesn’t have one standout quality that he really excels with, something NBA scouts and executives usually look for in the later stages of the draft”
And Rodney Hood, for good measure, even though he wasn’t a RPM top 40: “he’ll have to improve his motor and hustle quite a bit”; “not particularly young”; defense a huge question mark due to effort, average athleticism, poor length, terrible steals/blocks/rebound numbers
My point is that “potential” or “upside” is more unpredictable than we give it credit for. It’s certainly not simply equal to athleticism or skills or youth or length and is probably at least as related to BBIQ, motor, and capacity put in individual work.
I don’t know how this affects the Jazz draft this year, but it seems clear that any ceiling we put on a player’s potential now is quite artificial.
Of this year’s 40 top Real +/- players in the NBA:
25 were drafted below the top five of their draft classes
22 were drafted below the top 10 of their draft classes
18 were drafted below the top 15 of their draft classes
Just to get a sense of whether these players were viewed as high upside or high potential prospects in the draft, I looked at the nbadraft.net ratings to see whether “potential” was one of their top attributes. (Yes, I know I’m treading in dangerous waters going to that site, but I think in the aggregate it probably does a fair job of representing whether players were considered to have high upsides or not).
Five players weren’t rated, but of the 20 (of the 25 above) that were, only 7 had “potential” as one of their two highest qualities, and for several of these 7, “potential” was tied with one or more other qualities. These players were Middleton (hard to believe), Zach Randolph, Deandre Jordan, Lowry, George Hill, Mirotic, and Bledsoe.
The average “potential” score for those 20 players was 7.75/10, which if you’ve spent any time at nbadraft.net, you’ll know is nothing special. Some notable low scores: Draymond Green 6, Millsap 7, Jimmy Butler 6, Klay Thompson 7, Matthews 6, Olynyk 7, Splitter 7.
To add to this, here’s what DX had to say about some of these players:
Stephen Curry: battles but defense limited by “poor physical tools”; because of average first step he’ll “probably need to have some other shot creators playing alongside him”
Kawhi Leonard: “lack of a go-to offensive skill”; “offensive inefficiency”
Draymond Green: “defensive deficiencies have become even more pronounced as a senior”; too small for post, too slow for perimeter; “difficult to project him as an adequate NBA defender”; with his versatility, maybe he can get drafted, make a roster or even earn a spot role.
Khris Middleton: “hasn’t progressed much as a player” from earlier seasons; “just average length”; real questions if game can translate against more athletic players; “struggles to move well laterally”
Paul Millsap: “his upside is not off the charts”; “footwork not nearly as polished” as fellow tweeners Ike Diogu and Sean May
Gordon Hayward: “questionable athleticism”; “he won’t be relied upon to create late in the shot clock or carry his team”; defensive potential iffy because of “lack of lateral quickness and physical strength”; “lack of athleticism raises questions about his long-term potential”
Jimmy Butler: “not a tremendous physical specimen”; “lacks explosiveness, a strong frame, and great lateral quickness”; defensively “Butler’s best asset is his wingspan”; lack of leaping ability [editorial comment: just wow!!]
Marc Gasol: well-rounded player in Europe, but lack of athleticism makes him a real question mark for NBA
Klay Thompson: “athletic limitations”; “struggles on the defensive end”; “taken off the dribble often”; “he’d have to do a lot of work to become even an average NBA defender overall”; “probably doesn’t have significant upside beyond what he is now due to his athletic limitations”
Damian Lillard: “struggled in a couple of his higher profile games”
Wesley Matthews: “doesn’t have one standout quality that he really excels with, something NBA scouts and executives usually look for in the later stages of the draft”
And Rodney Hood, for good measure, even though he wasn’t a RPM top 40: “he’ll have to improve his motor and hustle quite a bit”; “not particularly young”; defense a huge question mark due to effort, average athleticism, poor length, terrible steals/blocks/rebound numbers
My point is that “potential” or “upside” is more unpredictable than we give it credit for. It’s certainly not simply equal to athleticism or skills or youth or length and is probably at least as related to BBIQ, motor, and capacity put in individual work.
I don’t know how this affects the Jazz draft this year, but it seems clear that any ceiling we put on a player’s potential now is quite artificial.
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That was a really long post but good job. I think a lot of this really comes down to whether guys will work and if they have the drive to succeed. Mental toughness is another thing all these guys seem to have. Adversity won't stop them. Not sure how you measure/project that.
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For Franks sake I hope the Jazz do not draft him. Ja fans will proclaim him as a superstar and then when he becomes just a solid bench player most around here will hate him