What's new
By:

Following potential 2015 draftees

stitches said:
This list of players is more a testament for their work ethic and desire to improve than it is for DX or NBA scouts inability to evaluate talent and current level of skill.
Click to expand...

Totally agree. That's my point. It wasn't to knock GMs or DX or even nbadraft.

And I mostly agree with your larger point. It's not that "potential" or "upside" is a useless concept, it's just that it's more complicated than it's often taken to be. Players generally regarded as having little upside can and occasionally do prove everyone totally wrong.

What I may disagree with slightly is that the examples I chose are too much of outliers to establish the point I was trying to make. That's a healthy percentage of the top 40 NBA players in the league (by a certain metric) who were not regarded as high upside prospects.
 
Glad to see some ppl going mental and start cherry picking on players who really had exceeded the expectations of plenty teams that passed on them. It's like they're executing Vivek's defensive schemes.
 
Really just goes to show the draft is a crap shoot and you just never know how certain skills will translate, how much, if any, guys will improve, how hard will work to get better, etc.
 
I know we aren't in the market for a point guard, but Cameron Payne is really interesting to me. Can't say I've watched an actual game of his, but the way he defends and gets his points should translate. His passing is nice, but I can see him having some trouble with the length at the next level as he fits his passes in tight windows and doesn't throw bounce passes.

Anyway if we felt like taking on another prospect at point (I don't think we do) I'd take him over Grant and Wright for sure.
 
Crocodile Dante said:
funny we are talking about write up when there is a player on the jazz who went undrafted. was on the jazz summer league sucked big time and now he is back and has a place on an nba roster, Elijah millsap. he was awful coming out of college. only got a chance because of his brother.
Click to expand...

Or the Jazz FO liked parts of this game and wanted him to develop others before calling him up.
 
Here's a podcast by EuroLeagueAdventures.com's Sam Meyerkopf with guest Mike Schmitz from DX, talking about the Euro prospects:

https://euroleagueadventures.com/podcast-european-draft-prospects-with-draftexpress-mike-schmitz/

They are gushing about Hezonja and think he can be a two-way wing in the league who will contribute right away; a bit worried about Porzingis' ability to defend in the league and don't think he'd be ready - fit will be important; like Luwawu's potential, don't like Vezenkov as an NBA prospect - they think he's way too slow and unathletic and can't defend any wing(weird, because I think of him as a stretch 4, so he'd have to defend 4s rather than 3s); they think George Lucas will be a major project and see DLeague in his future for whoever drafts him... They also talk about series of other players:Nedim Buza, Arturas Gudiatis/Dani Diez/Rade Zagorac/Paul Zipser, Willy Hernangomez, Cedi Osman, Moussa Diagne, Mam Jaiteh, Nikola Milutinov, Nenad Miljenovic...
 
Yeah, Vezenkov looks like a dude who is going to have a huge physical shock with NBA athleticism and strength. I don't see him doing much either, but I dont know much on him. Only seen a few highlights. Looks like a slow/weak tweener who can score.
 
Vezenkov is a stretch 4 but if he has the work ethic he can get a little more athleticism. I think P3 can do wonders as long as they have basketball skills, sorry evans. I would take him in the second round for sure

I am in the boat right now of lets see what we can give no sactown to swap picks and draft Hezonja. I personally think Hezonja is the missing piece to the Jazz puzzle. In addition to trading burke and letting burks play the 1 with hood being primary ball handler.
 
he is listed as 200 lbs. That isn't a stretch 4, not by NBA standars.

Name 1 200 lb PF who isn't an athlete who has made it in the league.
 
Crocodile Dante said:
Vezenkov is a stretch 4 but if he has the work ethic he can get a little more athleticism. I think P3 can do wonders as long as they have basketball skills, sorry evans. I would take him in the second round for sure

I am in the boat right now of lets see what we can give no sactown to swap picks and draft Hezonja. I personally think Hezonja is the missing piece to the Jazz puzzle. In addition to trading burke and letting burks play the 1 with hood being primary ball handler.
Click to expand...

Looks like Barca has him on ice now. Only played 3 minutes in a Spanish league game they won pretty comfortably.
 
I see the Jazz have a group workout tomorrow. Normally this board creates a work out thread, but normally the workouts don't start until after the combine.

Should I start the workouts thread or just dump it in this thread?
 
Just noticed Myles Turner's assists and steals are really poor, and his rebounding is mediocre given his role and minutes. Not encouraging.
 
Catchall said:
Just noticed Myles Turner's assists and steals are really poor, and his rebounding is mediocre given his role and minutes. Not encouraging.
Click to expand...

Uhh, 6.5 rebounds per 22 minutes is bad?

On the defensive side of the court, however, Turner continued to make a strong impact on a Texas team that ranked in the top-20 in the nation defensively, with his 9.4 defensive rebounds per 40 minutes (4th among DX Top-100 prospects) and 4.7 blocks per 40 minutes (3rd) both ranking very favorably in this draft class.

From DraftExpress.com https://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3ZJ8VYhND
https://www.draftexpress.com
Click to expand...

Math is hard though Catchall, I feel you
 
was just looking at this draft and I think no-sactown is the perfect trade partner.

https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2015/insider/story/_/id/12798913/draft-solutions-magic-kings-pistons-hornets-nba-draft

6. Sacramento Kings

Pelton: After the Kings finished 28th in defensive rating following coach George Karl's arrival at the All-Star break, I identified defensive commitment as the team's biggest need. You could include better defenders, too. DeMarcus Cousins made strides defensively this past season and Ben McLemore has shown some defensive presence on the wing, but it's hard to find other above-average defenders on the roster.

Ford: To me there is a clear choice for the Kings if they get the No. 1 pick: Karl-Anthony Towns. Pair him with Cousins and you have a monstrous front line. And Towns' ability to protect the rim would be huge for them. There's another no-brainer if the Kings get the No. 2 or No. 3 pick: Emmanuel Mudiay. He brings athleticism, size, toughness and fits a clear need as a long-term point guard. They blew it last year when they passed on Elfrid Payton. I doubt they'd blow it again. And I believe there is a clear pick for them at No. 6: Willie Cauley-Stein. If defense is the priority, he's the best defender in the draft and should be a terrific fit next to Cousins. Their draft board, assuming they don't make major trades, is one of the clearest for me.

Pelton: I'm a little more skeptical of how Cauley-Stein fits with Cousins. Cousins gets as many post-up touches as anyone in the league, and defenses would be able to play off Cauley-Stein to give help. I think Porzingis and Turner make sense here, too.
Click to expand...

I think WCS is a great fit for a rebuilding defenseless kings team. Not the best fit next to cousins but there is a good chance that WCS or turner will be there for the kings at 12 if they make a trade with the Jazz. Include Burke and swap picks maybe a lotto protected first or 2 or 3 seconds.

Nuggets - dont need wcs (better options available)
Detroit - nope they have drummond they need a 3 or a 4 and there are some good one still there
Hornets - need shooting desperately.
miami - no with whiteside emerging
pacers - no with Hibbert and they need some one to stretch the floor
#12 - wcs should still be on the board

no-sactown get a PG a future pick and their guy would be a good day for them.

Jazz get their choice of either Hezonja, Winslow, Johnson or porzingis. (one will be gone to orlando at #5) my bet is porzingis

Hezonja is the missing peice to the Jazz puzzle. A dynamic scorer. Lets all hold hands and pray for this trade to happen.

on a side note we get rid of burke +++
 
Cy said:
he is listed as 200 lbs. That isn't a stretch 4, not by NBA standars.

Name 1 200 lb PF who isn't an athlete who has made it in the league.
Click to expand...

According to wikipedia and some Greek sites he's listed at 225lbs. That's not exceptional, but his frame looks good and it looks like he can carry even more weight on it without much problem. He also does not look in great physical/athletic shape on some of the youtube vids, he actually looks like he probably carries more fat than ideal. I wonder if both his mobility and vertical athleticism can be improved by a P3-type of training camp. He's never going to be a great athlete, but with him the question is if he can be adequate enough to allow you to use his offense.
 
stitches said:
According to wikipedia and some Greek sites he's listed at 225lbs. That's not exceptional, but his frame looks good and it looks like he can carry even more weight on it without much problem. He also does not look in great physical/athletic shape on some of the youtube vids, he actually looks like he probably carries more fat than ideal. I wonder if both his mobility and vertical athleticism can be improved by a P3-type of training camp. He's never going to be a great athlete, but with him the question is if he can be adequate enough to allow you to use his offense.
Click to expand...

He looks like he would get absolutely crushed by any NBA player tbh. Would be much easier to hide as a 3 than 4.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top