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Wells Report concluded that the Patriots violated rules and Tom Brady was aware

Once text messages are subpoena'd by a court of law, I believe they can compell the phone company to produce said messages. I could be wrong on this, but I do believe they continue to exist after being deleted from a phone.

...so your saying that EVERY text message that's ever been sent and EVERY text message that's ever been deleted on EVERY phone in the history of cell phones.....are still available for courts to see and read?
 
So, what you're saying, is you've never played football in cold/wet weather. If you had, you would understand.

ok, so you are basically saying brady probably cheated 3 games per year. cool. ok, so take 3 wins per year away from brady's cheating ***. he still becomes the 2nd winningest QB in this era. lol

again, let me emphasize how stupid this whole thing is. there is no real difference between 11.5 vs. 12.5 and if you played the game before. none. and science already proved that 1psi loss can naturally occur. so basically we are talking about .5 psi which absolutely has zero difference. and in the afcc, weather started out - 51 degrees relative humidity 71%, wind 15 mph. and then i think it dropped to about 43F. not a typical freezing january in foxborough. and we all know brady played much better with a properly inflated ball that day.


also maybe it maybe easier to get adjusted to 12.5 psi ball rather than trusting 2 idiots to deflate the football every sunday. maybe brady isn't so dumb. oh well, maybe he is an idiot to get caught. oh wait, he never got caught at anything. what did he do again?
 
So Kraft accepts the punishment and is not pursuing it further. So he knows his team is guilty and has to listen to Brady lie over and over again to the public. Wish Brady could just be a man and admit he cheated and stop lying. Clearly this helped out this team. I assume the same thing will happen when the got caught cheating last time and they wont be winning the Super Bowl for awhile until they can find a new way to cheat.
 
So Kraft accepts the punishment and is not pursuing it further. So he knows his team is guilty and has to listen to Brady lie over and over again to the public. Wish Brady could just be a man and admit he cheated and stop lying. Clearly this helped out this team. I assume the same thing will happen when the got caught cheating last time and they wont be winning the Super Bowl for awhile until they can find a new way to cheat.

Pats are good enough to be competitors without cheating so I wont say no more Superbowls.

But lol at not appelaing the decision. Brady probably told them he did it and they decided not toa ppeal as it would be worse.
 
Pats are good enough to be competitors without cheating so I wont say no more Superbowls.

But lol at not appelaing the decision. Brady probably told them he did it and they decided not toa ppeal as it would be worse.

They are good, but have only won a super bowl when we know they were cheating. The other years they are a playoff team that isnt good enough to win it all.
 
The first domino has fallen. Today, Kraft pulled a complete 180 and has "reluctantly" accepted punishment. This should be a good indicator for those who can see through the ******** that the NE organization wanted no part in court proceedings in which subpoenas can be handed out, people can be forced to testify, and evidence can't be given/hidden on a whim. Funny see a guy who was screaming from the rooftops less than a week ago that his team was 100% innocent of any wrongdoing and vowed to see this fight through to the end give up at the drop of a hat. If that doesn't make you wonder, it should.

The next domino is Brady. Brady is so adamant about his innocence, he needs to put his money where his mouth is, but he won't because he's guilty as hell and he's afraid to go to court too. Whether the NFL upholds the 4 game suspension, or say, cuts it to 2 games, you're gonna see Brady come out and do the EXACT same thing Kraft just did today. Mark the tape.
 
So Kraft accepts the punishment and is not pursuing it further. So he knows his team is guilty and has to listen to Brady lie over and over again to the public. Wish Brady could just be a man and admit he cheated and stop lying. Clearly this helped out this team. I assume the same thing will happen when the got caught cheating last time and they wont be winning the Super Bowl for awhile until they can find a new way to cheat.

ah butt hurt bronco fan - how's the national embarrassment of your team getting gang raped by seahawks in the SB treating you still?
brady maybe a cheater, but brady > peyton. lol i mean it's not even close. give brady a brick and peyton deflated football. results will be the same. lol


anyway, this is probably what happened. kraft and goodell at the part had a long conversation -

kraft - "roger, you really screwed me up with this deflate crap."
goodell - "my bad Bob, but there are 31 other jealousy owners riding my ***."
kraft - "yacht and a new private jet aren't enough? what about the private island i gave you? you are one greedy mo#$fo"
goodell - "this power. it's intoxicating. i want more."
kraft - "i'm gonna accept the penalty, but no more. You are done with me. so who's next on the list?"
goodell - "Jerry Jones."
kraft - "it better be Jerry. it better be."
 
The first domino has fallen. Today, Kraft pulled a complete 180 and has "reluctantly" accepted punishment. This should be a good indicator for those who can see through the ******** that the NE organization wanted no part in court proceedings in which subpoenas can be handed out, people can be forced to testify, and evidence can't be given/hidden on a whim. Funny see a guy who was screaming from the rooftops less than a week ago that his team was 100% innocent of any wrongdoing and vowed to see this fight through to the end give up at the drop of a hat. If that doesn't make you wonder, it should.

The next domino is Brady. Brady is so adamant about his innocence, he needs to put his money where his mouth is, but he won't because he's guilty as hell and he's afraid to go to court too. Whether the NFL upholds the 4 game suspension, or say, cuts it to 2 games, you're gonna see Brady come out and do the EXACT same thing Kraft just did today. Mark the tape.


oop d friggin do. all because of friggin psi. lol. the hate is unreal. butt hurt fans can't stand brady for whooping their butt year in and year out. i guess winning creates hate. i think brady is more hated than barry bonds. how that even possible? ah that's right. it's america. the land of jealousy and more jealousy.

ask yourself why this whole thing happened in the place. why the football was measured during the half time for the first time. that's right. it's because pats and brady wins. winning creates haters. it's so easy to hate a great american who only farts greatness
 
ah butt hurt bronco fan - how's the national embarrassment of your team getting gang raped by seahawks in the SB treating you still?
brady maybe a cheater, but brady > peyton. lol i mean it's not even close. give brady a brick and peyton deflated football. results will be the same. lol


anyway, this is probably what happened. kraft and goodell at the part had a long conversation -

kraft - "roger, you really screwed me up with this deflate crap."
goodell - "my bad Bob, but there are 31 other jealousy owners riding my ***."
kraft - "yacht and a new private jet aren't enough? what about the private island i gave you? you are one greedy mo#$fo"
goodell - "this power. it's intoxicating. i want more."
kraft - "i'm gonna accept the penalty, but no more. You are done with me. so who's next on the list?"
goodell - "Jerry Jones."
kraft - "it better be Jerry. it better be."

Broncos are my most hated NFL team but good try little buddy.
 
oop d friggin do. all because of friggin psi. lol. the hate is unreal. butt hurt fans can't stand brady for whooping their butt year in and year out. i guess winning creates hate. i think brady is more hated than barry bonds. how that even possible? ah that's right. it's america. the land of jealousy and more jealousy.

ask yourself why this whole thing happened in the place. why the football was measured during the half time for the first time. that's right. it's because pats and brady wins. winning creates haters. it's so easy to hate a great american who only farts greatness

Is it hard to see what you're typing with Brady's **** in your mouth?
 
Is it hard to see what you're typing with Brady's **** in your mouth?

i would rather suck brady's **** then blindly hate a dude just because he is better at life than me. lol

seriously, the hate brady is getting is so ridiculously unamerican. in america, we used to salute heroes! but there are people out there who defends the great fallen hero named brady - very interesting type of people. something you probably can't relate -

1. confident man - michael irvin - is a champion and he is not jealous of any men. and he is disgusted by the hate brady is getting
2. realist - Joey Harrington - he was on Jim Rome. he vehemently mocks the whole deflategate. harrington is a major flop, so he has every reason to be bitter on the great american hero brady. but he defends brady like as if brady was his lover. it's good to accept the reality. brady is better than you
3. honorable man - tedy bruschi - when bruschi says he believes brady, he means it. google 'honor' you will see bruschi
4. enlightened man - mike florio - a writer who is a steeler fan, and he is determined to bring down the dictator, roger goodell. he knows focus is the nfl, not pats. he questions the world. it's dark out there! don't believe everything you hear.


oh by the way, i'm not a pats fan. not at all. but i know a great one when i see one. ain't nothing wrong with admitting brady is a great friggin QB. IMO, brady is easily the greatest of all time. what brady is doing against today's complex defense is genius. give brady a stickum crazed jerry rice for 6 years, brady would win at least 4 mvps during that span.

but yeah, brady is a cheat so he is a scum of the earth and deserves * on everything he does from now on and discredit everything he has done. die cheater die!! barry bonds! lance armstrong! arod! brady! die!
 
Spin in it anyway you want it when you like a player you defend him.

But fact is Brady (and others) cheated and knew about it. How much that mattered is debatable but he still cheated and still lied about it. Confident, honorable, realist and enlightened men dont cheat and if for some reason they get caught up and do, they admit it and move on (along with public who appreciates men who admit they messed up because we all do). Instead he decided to vehemently deny that he cheated without taking the real steps to prove his innocence. Also if this was the first or only thing it might be easier to let it go but it wasnt and it wont be the last, his character has been revealed. He is a man who cheats and lies about it. At least he didnt knock up a girl then dump her right?

Brady is a great quarterback but not a great man or a hero.

That my opinion and its not changing anytime soon without some serious evidence, not just Brady's buddies stickin up for him.
 
it's ironic that you name yourself broncster. i know broncster in broncos forum and he still wears elway panties

Not really Ironic. I own and like my Ford Bronco but dislike the NFL team Denver Broncos. They are not really related. Just like you like Trey Burke but probably dont like everyone named Trey or everything named trey.
 
I'm not an NFL fan at all, but fabtrey has convinced me of one thing...

That fabtrey is annoying and arrogant.
 
I'm not an NFL fan at all, but fabtrey has convinced me of one thing...

That fabtrey is annoying and arrogant.
I've stopped responding to him here because all the bias he is accusing others of is his in spades the other way. No arguing with a guy with his lips that far up a guys ***. Only Patriot fans or Hater's of Goodell (which I am a hater of Goodell) are defending the Patriots at all. It's obvious they were cheating and Kraft dropped the complaints because he has no interest in seeing his coach suspended again. Or giving the league a legal basis for getting info they don't want them seeing.
 
The first domino has fallen. Today, Kraft pulled a complete 180 and has "reluctantly" accepted punishment. This should be a good indicator for those who can see through the ******** that the NE organization wanted no part in court proceedings in which subpoenas can be handed out, people can be forced to testify, and evidence can't be given/hidden on a whim. Funny see a guy who was screaming from the rooftops less than a week ago that his team was 100% innocent of any wrongdoing and vowed to see this fight through to the end give up at the drop of a hat. If that doesn't make you wonder, it should.

The next domino is Brady. Brady is so adamant about his innocence, he needs to put his money where his mouth is, but he won't because he's guilty as hell and he's afraid to go to court too. Whether the NFL upholds the 4 game suspension, or say, cuts it to 2 games, you're gonna see Brady come out and do the EXACT same thing Kraft just did today. Mark the tape.

You're outline is one plausible truth. There are others out there, though, which are equally plausible.

The Wells Report is flawed. Period. I can't see any problem with raising up against it while simultaneously seeing too little value in a TOTAL LEGAL process. If the huffing and puffing on both sides stops here, that's not evidence of guilt. Only suckers fall for that.

Call me a homer a thousand times if you want, but I do not believe that the Patriots bend or break rules more than the average club.
 
how many Super Bowls have the Broncos won since Brady came into the league?

Aww how cute! Sorry but that won't work. Brady is still out 4 games for getting busted cheating and now his legacy has an * to many people.

That's to bad to be honest because he is an all time great that didn't need to do this.
 
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