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Phil Jackson is quaking, I am sure.
Sloan signs 1 year extension
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I agree to an extent. The question that has to be raised and really can't be answered until he leaves is how much of a role does he have in composing a flawed roster? More specifically, is the fact that the Jazz rarely have shooters worth a **** because Sloan doesn't want them (when compared to whatever the Jazz would have to pass on in the draft or through trade)? Who knows, but it seems like there's a pattern that isn't just with this year's team.
KOC specifically mentioned that the Jazz wanted a shooter when he traded for Korver, because they needed to space up the floor. He also told the crowd while drafting Mo Almond that "you wanted a shooter and you got one". While the acquisitions might not have panned out there is no evidence whatsoever that the Jazz were allergic to shooters. But for $$, Korver would still have been on this team.
Many teams (and a majority of elite ones) have more than two or three players that can hit 3s at a good percentage consistently.
Well, Miles, Bell and Okur were supposed to be those 3 players for us. It is more of personnel not living up to it than anything to do with Sloan.
2 years back, we had Korver and Okur shooting well from the 3-pt land and Deron was'nt so bad either. Those were your three players who could space up the floor a bit. Not quite Orlando Magic-esque but not too bad. I think some of the moves made since then have resulted in players who are either past their prime(Bell, although he seems to be getting it back) or are just not up to it(Miles) or are injured(Memo)
Imagine if the guys that we have are all healthy and also living up to what was expected of them.
And now, you put this lineup out there- Deron, Bell, Miles, Okur, Al Jeff
Just imagine the spacing Big Al would get to do his thing. Who would you leave to double team him? This is the most ideal scenario that the Jazz could have hoped for. Never happened. They made a slight overrating of Bell and Miles and probably underestimated Okur's recovery period. Not that they would have traded him easily otherwise. This is the Jazz we are talking about. And Deron has some wrist injury or other every year that hampers his 3-pt shooting
And now, you put this lineup out there- Deron, Bell, Miles, Okur, Al Jeff
Just imagine the spacing Big Al would get to do his thing. Who would you leave to double team him? This is the most ideal scenario that the Jazz could have hoped for. Never happened. They made a slight overrating of Bell and Miles and probably underestimated Okur's recovery period. Not that they would have traded him easily otherwise. This is the Jazz we are talking about. And Deron has some wrist injury or other every year that hampers his 3-pt shooting
> 3 shooters was me being conservative. This team AT MOST has 5 shooters. That's with Memo playing like an all-star and healthy, Miles playing consistently well, Hayward not being terrified 80% of the time AND hitting shots at a level of competition he previously never has, Deron playing like he should and usually is, and Bell being way better than he has been as a whole. On a good night, this team has two shooters show up. That's not cutting it.
Your argument is usually putting all fault on FO and ownership (and subsequently players), but now you're seemingly defending it as it's a proxy to defending Sloan. Which makes sense, because my point is that Sloan is basically the front-office executive. He has more veto power than probably any coach in this league. And the roster has not been adequately stocked with shooters basically since the finals years. I think on that point, almost all of us can agree. Whose fault that is is hard to say, but I don't think someone with as much power as Sloan has with this franchise is free from blame.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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Can someone explain how it's Slones fault we have no shooters. Last I heard he wasn't KOC. It's not like KOC. hasn't tried it just doesn't always work out like Mo Almond and others.
I'm not sure who Slone is, but I laid out an argument above your post if your ability to read is better than your ability to write.
I dont think Sloan has any more powers than most other good coaches in this league. I mean some of them were/are GM-coaches. They openly demanded for certain kind of players to fit their system. Think Larry Brown? I dont think Sloan has that kind of power.Of course as a HOF coach he gets consulted and the draft day decisions are joint decisions. But just because he demanded for Deron and won once, it doesnt not mean the Jazz wait to see what he demands next before making their move. If anything, Al Jefferson was more of a Deron's request than anybody else's. So I have never agreed to Sloan having "the most power in the league".
I also debunk the theory that Sloan is against shooters. I see no evidence for that. The FO has just done a poor job of drafting/trading for/retaining shooters since Horny left.
Like I said earlier, if the Jazz had retained Korver/Wes and if Okur had not been injured we wouldnt even been having this conversation right now.
Just because this team is struggling from the 3-pt shooting department this year due to combo of several factors, I dont think Sloan is to be automatically blamed for this. How come last year when we had both Memo, Korver AND Wes on the team, this topic did not come about? I didnt hear anybody complain about Sloan being against shooters back then.
The only thing Sloan is against is one-dimensional shooters who put themselves above the system, like Girisuck.
No, I am not defending it. In fact if you noticed I still place the blame more on the FO and less on Sloan. It was not Sloan's decision to let go of Mathews or Korver for $$$ reasons, was it? Or are you going to argue that Sloan makes financial decisions for Miller too?
jazzrule
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The Sloan love on here makes fans forget his shoort comings. Who let Loozer play when he refused to play defense? Boozer IS playing better defense for the Bulls. Who lets D'Will play when he is not pushing the ball, when we have a back-up point guard who will? Everyone with eyes know the Jazz play best when pushing the ball. Who has not given Fess the minutes needed to develop, when we know the only way the Jazz can compete with the Lakers is to go big with them? Who's game plan is it to double team big men inside even when they are average or below average players, and lets teams shoot us out of games from 3 point land? Who has a history of not calling a time out when other teams are on a run ninety percent of the time? Who is poor with in game adjustments? Who takes out players that are playing great, sits them on the bench and forgets about them the remainer of the game? Please retire Sloan enough is enough.
jazzrule
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The Sloan love on here makes fans forget his shoort comings. Who let Loozer play when he refused to play defense? Boozer IS playing better defense for the Bulls. Who lets D'Will play when he is not pushing the ball, when we have a back-up point guard who will? Everyone with eyes know the Jazz play best when pushing the ball. Who has not given Fess the minutes needed to develop, when we know the only way the Jazz can compete with the Lakers is to go big with them? Who's game plan is it to double team big men inside even when they are average or below average players, and lets teams shoot us out of games from 3 point land? Who has a history of not calling a time out when other teams are on a run ninety percent of the time? Who is poor with in game adjustments? Who takes out players that are playing great, sits them on the bench and forgets about them the remainer of the game? Please retire Sloan enough is enough. Haha someone took away my 5 rep power, so I have nothing to lose posting this. LOL
Much like how the Sloan hate here makes some people take for granted what Sloan brings to his job everyday
I dotn have Sloan hate. On the contrary, I have always loved Sloan. One of the best coaches out there. That said, everyones time comes to pass.
That indicates the problem right there: "designated shooters". I agree that is what they were and that seems to be what Sloan and the jazz are satisfied with, one designated shooter. Contrast with say the Spurs with there are about 6 guys that could fill that role. And when you have a "designated shooter", don't you think it is obvious the other team knows who that is? So, the Jazz, once they have their "designated shooter" don't worry about getting more. Hence they carry guys like AK and Brewer and Price who are very sub-par to terrible as NBA wings in their shooting ability.