Following potential 2015 draftees

[framer]

Would you rather have Myles Turner or Kelly Olynyk and the 16th pick?

Turner all day long. He is on a Rookie contract and can play a lick of D. Pick #16 is going to be a career backup at best. We currently have a lot of guys with that floor.

Of course I would rather have a spastic colon than Olynyk. Just don't like his game at all. Doesn't fit with what we are doing in Utah. Also, I don't even like looking at him.

 

[Doublea]

Yet they drafted both Exum and Hood last year, who refused to work out with the Jazz and traded up for Burke the previous year who also didn't work out for the team... The team doesn't care if they want to work out for the team, if they think the player is the best one on the board they will draft him.

Exum didn't come in because he was projected higher than 5, he also didn't work out for anyone team past us as well.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Funny because every other player around us (Oubre, Turner, Looney, Lyles, Dekker, Portis, Looney) worked out for us. Booker maybe refused as well. But the % says Kaminsky is the exception to not wanting to come here. If he was a tier above those guys I wouldn't care and take my chances it would work out. But he is on the same tier, just not worth the trouble of having a possible malcontent like Kanter. We'll see if DL agrees.

Utah was top 5 last year and Exum didn't work out for us, yet you seem to think a single draft spot was a reasonable excuse for not working out for us. Hilarious. Like I said, if Utah passed on Frank, it will be because DL likes someone else better, not because of your silly reasoning.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Exum didn't come in because he was projected higher than 5, he also didn't work out for anyone team past us as well.

A. Single. Draft. Spot. Really, that's what passes for a reasonable argument? You guys are reading wayyy too much into things. Utah will absolutely not hesitate to take Frank if they believe he's the BPA.

 

[mhindy]

Oubre Turner or Johnson and I'm happy. Hopeful for Thursday!

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Yet they drafted both Exum and Hood last year, who refused to work out with the Jazz and traded up for Burke the previous year who also didn't work out for the team... The team doesn't care if they want to work out for the team, if they think the player is the best one on the board they will draft him.

Yep. Workouts should be a very, very small part of the evaluation process. When all else fails. . . trust the tape. Workouts and interviews can give insight into their personality and a better idea of mechanical and technical issues in their games, but not really how well they'll play for you in competitive situations. My personal opinion is that workouts should function to drop a guy on your board, but not raise his stock directly.

Solid posts from 2 of my favorite posters. Thanks for keeping things sane.

 

[mhindy]

Workouts I would think have more to do with seeing how a guy does a certain drill you're interested in, or how he responds to instruction, how he competes, responds to instruction, etc. Obviously, given that they've probably watched a metric ****ton of tape I doubt they're learning a whole lot about the abilities of the players.

 

[Doublea]

A. Single. Draft. Spot. Really, that's what passes for a reasonable argument? You guys are reading wayyy too much into things. Utah will absolutely not hesitate to take Frank if they believe he's the BPA.

I never said they wouldn't draft someone who hadn't worked out. I just think kaminsky situation is different than exum's.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Workouts I would think have more to do with seeing how a guy does a certain drill you're interested in, or how he responds to instruction, how he competes, responds to instruction, etc. Obviously, given that they've probably watched a metric ****ton of tape I doubt they're learning a whole lot about the abilities of the players.

The argument some people seem to be making is that the Jazz should be offended when a player chooses not to work out for us. In reality, we just can't afford to be so thin-skinned. I call it Kanter overreaction-itis.

 

[mhindy]

The argument some people seem to be making is that the Jazz should be offended when a player chooses not to work out for us. In reality, we just can't afford to be so thin

I think an important distinction is that 99.9% of the time it's the agent trying to do what they think will be best financially for the player. I really doubt the players care THAT much. Anyways, once the player is somewhere, it's not like they're just not going to play hard. You have control for 4 years bare minimum, don't worry about what they think of you the night you draft them.

 

[fishonjazz]

Wow, accurate comment.

Fixed

 

[fishonjazz]

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second players that have never lived here (in Utah) don't know what it is like. players that have usually go away with nothing negative to say. dwill still has a home here and wants his children raised in Utah. I bet Trevor booker would say positive things about Utah.

Memo also loves it here
I have a friend on Facebook who put up a pic of him golfing with memo in slc today

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Here's what I think is likely to happen in the draft for reals:

1 Towns
2 Okafor
3 Russell
4 Porzingis
5 Hezonja
6 Mudiay
7 WCS
8 Turner
9 Oubre
10 Winslow
11 Johnson
12 Kaminsky /Dekker /Booker / Looney

Kind of a worst-case for the Jazz.

 

[fishonjazz]

As has been said by many, there are a lot of players to like in this draft. I didn't have any favorites. But as the date approaches I find myself pining for Turner more than anyone. Guess I have a favorite now.

Good favourite to have as I think he is the jazz favourite too

 

[fishonjazz]

Would you rather have Myles Turner or Kelly Olynyk and the 16th pick?

Turner

 

[fishonjazz]

Here's what I think is likely to happen in the draft for reals:

1 Towns
2 Okafor
3 Russell
4 Porzingis
5 Hezonja
6 Mudiay
7 WCS
8 Turner
9 Oubre
10 Winslow
11 Johnson
12 Kaminsky /Dekker /Booker / Looney

Kind of a worst-case for the Jazz.

I like that scenario.
Team Frank!!!

 

[stitches]

Here's what I think is likely to happen in the draft for reals:

1 Towns
2 Okafor
3 Russell
4 Porzingis
5 Hezonja
6 Mudiay
7 WCS
8 Turner
9 Oubre
10 Winslow
11 Johnson
12 Kaminsky /Dekker /Booker / Looney

Kind of a worst-case for the Jazz.

Isn't this the case where you said there's 50% chance Jazz trade Favors to the Knicks for Porzingis?

 

[The Midnight]

I'd say the Jazz are going to value the Euros more than many teams and have assets to leverage. I think the Jazz could move to 9, to 8 or even higher if they want it enough.

I'm hearing some buzz that Cousins wants the Kings to take WCS. That's interesting given that Hezonja or Mudiay could be there.

WCS and Couains would make for a GREAT frontcourt imo. Frees Cousins up from his defensive duties and can focus on the offense of which he is a load. It also gives George Karl that defensive identity he is known for.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Isn't this the case where you said there's 50% chance Jazz trade Favors to the Knicks for Porzingis?

I think the Knicks would be trading Porzingis, and it would be a 40-50% chance that it's to the Jazz. I think the Jazz would decline to offer Favors. They'd offer 12, 2 future picks and a salary swap with Burke/Calderon. Maybe they'd offer Hood instead of one of the picks.

The Jazz could also be the team trading up to 8 for Turner, offering 12 and a future first.

The key to that mock would be that Winslow slides due to his poor shooting.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

WCS and Couains would make for a GREAT frontcourt imo. Frees Cousins up from his defensive duties and can focus on the offense of which he is a load. It also gives George Karl that defensive identity he is known for.

Cousins has that franchise by the stones.