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Following potential 2015 draftees

seattlejazzfan said:
You could have very easily said the same thing about the 2013 draft. But perhaps you would rather "balance out the roster" via free agency than add player like the one the Jazz got in the late first round in 2013. Again, you might choose that, I doubt the Jazz would.
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Jazz still had a high need to acquire talent in 2013. Not so much now. Keep trying to make good points.
 
Cy said:
So you want me to find a player who has the exact same measurements of Johnson?

Do you understand how ****ing dumb of an exercise this is and how dumb your point is?
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No, find a guy as short and as heavy - could be shorter or heavier - who has been successful in the NBA. The point is, it is really hard to be a good NBA player when you are that short and that heavy - it's just a fact. It is a fact that guys with those measurements are incredibly rare success stories in the NBA.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
No, find a guy as short and as heavy - could be shorter or heavier - who has been successful in the NBA. The point is, it is really hard to be a good NBA player when you are that short and that heavy - it's just a fact. It is a fact that guys with those measurements are incredibly rare success stories in the NBA.
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What?

This point makes no sense in regard to Johnson. His defense is a plus attribute.

I agree he lacks elite height and reach you want out of a SF, but he still had a solid SF size with an excellent wingspan.
 
Cy said:
Jazz still had a high need to acquire talent in 2013. Not so much now. Keep trying to make good points.
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Hey, it's clear you feel the Jazz don't need to acquire talent like Hood or Gobert at this point. Seems a little strange that you wouldn't want to add players of that caliber, but to each his own. It's okay.
 
Cy said:
What?

This point makes no sense in regard to Johnson. His defense is a plus attribute.

I agree he lacks elite height and reach you want out of a SF, but he still had a solid SF size with an excellent wingspan.
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His defense is a plus attribute? Really? How do you know that? Have you seen him defend NBA SFs or PFs?
 
Cy said:
The only negative that extra weight would entail is not being able to guard on the perimeter and move laterally. The thing we know Johnson is actually good at is defense. His weight is not a negative at all. You are living on an island of delusion.
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Johnson is Ron Artest... Ron was thick just like Stanley, but not a lot of fat. Don't think Stanley has as much of a reach as Artest did though.

Johnson is already a man... He moves well with his weight and it is muscle. I think he is going to be most successful as a small ball four and that weight combined with a lower center of gravity than the guys that post him up will make him tough to move.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
His defense is a plus attribute? Really? How do you know that? Have you seen him defend NBA SFs or PFs?
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You're being a pain man. Based off all that we've seen Stanley is a darn good defender and his weight hasn't caused problems so far. He mostly played the 2 in college and kept up with everyone at that level. I think his length is fine for SF's as well though I don't really project him as being able to handle PF's in the league (maybe a couple like Draymond/Millsap).
 
The second round is going to be interesting. Guys like Harrison, Upshaw, Wood, Tokoto, Johnson, Powell, etc. etc. etc. have the chance to make rosters and get some minutes.

It would be cool to somehow trade Burke and get Harrison in the 2nd round as he's better built for the NBA. I think a few 50-60 picks will stick in the NBA. Upshaw is also interesting - he can play defense and score inside.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Hey, it's clear you feel the Jazz don't need to acquire talent like Hood or Gobert at this point. Seems a little strange that you wouldn't want to add players of that caliber, but to each his own. It's okay.
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Yes. This is what I'm saying exactly. Island of delusion must be a fun place.
 
Howard said:
You act like Johnson's weight is a bad thing. Pls explain why.
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Rather than opine on what the possible reasons might be, I'll defer to the facts. I have history on my side here - you just rarely see guys that short and that heavy having successful NBA careers. It's not my opinion, it's a fact. Perhaps Stanley will break the mold. If the Jazz take him, I hope he does. But I'm simply not surprised if he's outside the top 10.
 
It should be interesting to track over Stanley's career and the 82 game schedule if that extra weight has any effect on his joints. generally you can absorb as much as ya can push out - but there's just a so many reps in the NBA.

Look at what happened to Jabari last year, one misstep, and kaboom.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Rather than opine on what the possible reasons might be, I'll defer to the facts. I have history on my side here - you just rarely see guys that short and that heavy having successful NBA careers. It's not my opinion, it's a fact. Perhaps Stanley will break the mold. If the Jazz take him, I hope he does. But I'm simply not surprised if he's outside the top 10.
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So you got nothin.
 
Cy said:
Yes. This is what I'm saying exactly. Island of delusion must be a fun place.
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Well, you're actually waffling back and forth -

you said:
There isn't a player of Hood's caliber at the 28th pick in this draft, so your point is irrelevant.
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When I point out how ridiculous that statement is, using the 2013 draft as an example, you say:

Jazz still had a high need to acquire talent in 2013. Not so much now.
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It seems you aren't even sure what you want to argue.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
It should be interesting to track over Stanley's career and the 82 game schedule if that extra weight has any effect on his joints. generally you can absorb as much as ya can push out - but there's just a so many reps in the NBA.

Look at what happened to Jabari last year, one misstep, and kaboom.
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Jabari seems like a legit fatty though, like someone who is carrying unnecessary weight.

Johnson looks much more built with his weight distributed more evenly and efficiently.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Well, you're actually waffling back and forth -

you said:

When I point out how ridiculous that statement is, using the 2013 draft as an example, you say:



It seems you aren't even sure what you want to argue.
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Dude, at one point Rudy Gobert was projected to go in the top 5 of the draft by DX. There is no one like that in this draft, I can guarantee it.

Robert Upsahw potentially, I guess, but we aren't risking drafting him in the first round.
 
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