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Rumor: Jazz want to - and can - acquire Milsap. May trade Favors in draft day deal.

Eenie-Meenie said:
I tend to side with GB. If Jody was dubious to begin with, then he must not have thought the source was very reliable or one that he trusted. If that is the case, then why report it? I think this was poor judgment on Jody's part.
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So something as completely innocuous and inconsequential to the decision making as an individual on a sports team official sharing a thought with someone he/she KNOWS is a member of the media SPECIFICALLY charged with reporting information from and about that sports team requires the media member to make judgements on the quality of the information? Isn't journalism supposed to be the dissemination of information? Or is this an argument of only wanting dissemination of information you want to hear?
 
Darkwing Duck said:
So something as completely innocuous and inconsequential to the decision making as an individual on a sports team official sharing a thought with someone he/she KNOWS is a member of the media SPECIFICALLY charged with reporting information from and about that sports team requires the media member to make judgements on the quality of the information? Isn't journalism supposed to be the dissemination of information? Or is this an argument of only wanting dissemination of information you want to hear?
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That was one heckuva long sentence, but well said!
 
Darkwing Duck said:
So something as completely innocuous and inconsequential to the decision making as an individual on a sports team official sharing a thought with someone he/she KNOWS is a member of the media SPECIFICALLY charged with reporting information from and about that sports team requires the media member to make judgements on the quality of the information? Isn't journalism supposed to be the dissemination of information? Or is this an argument of only wanting dissemination of information you want to hear?
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Sure, but does Jody work for the Enquirer or a publication that seeks to report the news honestly and accurately? I didn't think he was a gossip columnist. May be he should have added a qualifier, like an unreliable source, or unsubstantiated source. And anyone who follows the Jazz would know this is utter b.s., and Jody is one of those, yet he reports it and because he's a reporter people believe it. Is that good, honest journalism? Sure he can report it, but like I said I don't think it was a good call on his part.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Sure, but does Jody work for the Enquirer or a publication that seeks to report the news honestly and accurately? I didn't think he was a gossip columnist. May be he should have added a qualifier, like an unreliable source, or unsubstantiated source. And anyone who follows the Jazz would know this is utter b.s., and Jody is one of those, yet he reports it and because he's a reporter people believe it. Is that good, honest journalism? Sure he can report it, but like I said I don't think it was a good call on his part.
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Did you even read the tweets?
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Sure, but does Jody work for the Enquirer or a publication that seeks to report the news honestly and accurately? I didn't think he was a gossip columnist. May be he should have added a qualifier, like an unreliable source, or unsubstantiated source. And anyone who follows the Jazz would know this is utter b.s., and Jody is one of those, yet he reports it and because he's a reporter people believe it. Is that good, honest journalism? Sure he can report it, but like I said I don't think it was a good call on his part.
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So using what a source he has used before in his reporting TOLD him ISN'T being honest and accurate? Qualifying and opining on what was said to him would be the opposite of being honest and accurate.
 
DJJazzyJody said:
I'd suggest you look at my track record of reporting. Or you can judge me by one misconstrued tweet, which was followed by multiple posts to give context about how trading Favors didn't make much sense.

It wasn't reported as fact that the Jazz WOULD trade Favors nor that they were shopping Favors. It merely stated that there are rumblings around the league that the Jazz are interested in re-acquiring Millsap and that IF that happened, the Jazz MIGHT look to trade Favors.

What makes more sense anyway — bringing Millsap in, as others have reported (and I know the Jazz still will inquire about), and have an overloaded frontcourt situation? Or bring Millsap in and see what they can get for Favors?

If you're so sensitive and narrow-minded that one tweet you didn't like discounts all of my other good work, so be it.
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I don't read your other stuff, I read it here so that's what I have to go on. That you would tweet something that makes so little sense without checking it in any way is what makes me question your judgment in this case. And seeing it will make me question anything else I see by you. You could just as easily made this up, or looked at old reports about what Spence Checketts said and counted them as "sources". This tweet to me screams of needing clicks on your twitter feed. A sensational story that will get people to look at it is right up that alley.
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I find your tweet no different that the troll thread by Lograd about trading for AD.
 
gregbroncs said:
I don't read your other stuff, I read it here so that's what I have to go on. That you would tweet something that makes so little sense without checking it in any way is what makes me question your judgment in this case. And seeing it will make me question anything else I see by you. You could just as easily made this up, or looked at old reports about what Spence Checketts said and counted them as "sources". This tweet to me screams of needing clicks on your twitter feed. A sensational story that will get people to look at it is right up that alley.
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I find your tweet no different that the troll thread by Lograd about trading for AD.
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"I don't read your other stuff..."

Then by all means, you are very qualified to judge me. You are making a mountain out of a molehill. I'm wasting my time with you. Bye.
 
Thanks for jumping in on the discussion, Jody. Props to you for coming here and engaging.

I understand your job is to report. You have sources. We read what you get from your sources and from your beat. You do a great job, too.

One concern that I have as a fan about Favors is this: Favors is a really great player for the Jazz in terms of talent, work ethic, and personal fit. This thread gives you the general consensus of the board here on Favors, that he should be untouchable except for Anthony Davis, or some other top-tier young talent (except DeMarcus Cousins. **** that guy). We all remember that when he came to the Jazz the narrative was, "Here's this shell-shocked kid. He's been threatened with a trade ever since he was drafted. He is quiet. We really want to create a strong support here for him so that he can thrive." Once they cleared out Jefferson and Millsap and Favors was able to operate under the auspices of a starter he has really developed. My interpretation is that not only has his skill developed, but his confidence has too. My perspective is that perhaps his confidence is delicate.

Given the context of this Favors narrative, when Spence Checketts tweets that the Jazz will actively pursue Paul Millsap or you tweet that the Jazz want to — and can — re-acquire Paul Millsap and might trade Derrick Favors to do so, it is my worry, as a fan only, that this only serves to agitate twitter and worse yet, could poison the relationship between Favors and the Jazz. I think that's where a lot of this energy comes from.

Do you take that into consideration?
 
I stopped reading DJ's stuff a while ago and unfollowed him on Twitter because his Jazz game recaps started to take on the feel of some sort of stand up comedy audition. While some of the personal stuff he's reported on has been courageous, all I really want is a beat writer to report back to me on the goings on with my favorite NBA team. DJ tries to insert a lot of DJ into what should simply be him reporting on the Utah Jazz.

In short, I'm no fan, but even I think the poor guy is taking a beating in this thread.
 
This type of tweet/report really brings nothing but agitation to the fans and possibly to the players involved. "Jazz want to and can", "Jazz might" then you come here and play it all innocent saying but no, you don't get it I didn't say they will do it, I said they might. Well duh! They might trade Gobert too, they might send away Hayward for peanuts and Gerald Wallace and the 33d pick, they might move the team to Seattle or might try to get AD. It's all pointless speculation if you don't have a concrete report/you think they indeed are seriously exploring that option.

I don't get how it's making "a mountain out of a molehill" when the information from your report made it to national news and it has been reported on series of respectable online sources about basketball and now half the NBA thinks Utah would really like to replace Favors with Millsap...
 
gregbroncs said:
I judged this tweet on it's merit, credibility and sense. But okay, Bye.
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I don't know, if I'm in media, and a guy in a sports organization, even if he contributes zero to the decision making arm, tells me he/she hears that they could be open to trading x player to facilitate free agent player signing with the team, even if it DOESN'T make sense, I'm reporting it.

Trying to substantiate said rumor is pretty dumb. So many things would never, ever be reported if that were the case, especially in the context of sports.
 
stitches said:
This type of tweet/report really brings nothing but agitation to the fans and possibly to the players involved. "Jazz want to and can", "Jazz might" then you come here and play it all innocent saying but no, you don't get it I didn't say they will do it, I said they might. Well duh! They might trade Gobert too, they might send away Hayward for peanuts and Gerald Wallace and the 33d pick, they might move the team to Seattle or might try to get AD. It's all pointless speculation if you don't have a concrete report/you think they indeed are seriously exploring that option.

I don't get how it's making "a mountain out of a molehill" when the information from your report made it to national news and it has been reported on series of respectable online sources about basketball and now half the NBA thinks Utah would really like to replace Favors with Millsap...
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Thanks. If anything his tweet made a mountain out of thin air. Not even a mole hill to start with.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
I don't know, if I'm in media, and a guy in a sports organization, even if he contributes zero to the decision making arm, tells me he/she hears that they could be open to trading x player to facilitate free agent player signing with the team, even if it DOESN'T make sense, I'm reporting it.

Trying to substantiate said rumor is pretty dumb. So many things would never, ever be reported if that were the case, especially in the context of sports.
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I think I stand on the side of maybe they shouldn't be reported then.
 
stitches said:
This type of tweet/report really brings nothing but agitation to the fans and possibly to the players involved. "Jazz want to and can", "Jazz might" then you come here and play it all innocent saying but no, you don't get it I didn't say they will do it, I said they might. Well duh! They might trade Gobert too, they might send away Hayward for peanuts and Gerald Wallace and the 33d pick, they might move the team to Seattle or might try to get AD. It's all pointless speculation if you don't have a concrete report/you think they indeed are seriously exploring that option.

I don't get how it's making "a mountain out of a molehill" when the information from your report made it to national news and it has been reported on series of respectable online sources about basketball and now half the NBA thinks Utah would really like to replace Favors with Millsap...
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Unfortunately, we now live in a time where it's more about breaking a non-story via social media in order to get clicks and stay viable than it is actually being a credible news source. It's a vicious cycle and we the fans help perpetuate it. Jazz fans went crazy over DJ's report and even if it is/was bogus, he got what he needed out of it. But let's not single him out. 99% of reporters operate this way now. If we stopped buying into it, they'd have to change their tactics.
 
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