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Lyles is the pick at 12

kabenac said:
Totally wondering how Lyles will play during the summer league. I think Hanlan will play well but I especially want to see how well Lyles picks everything up. Should be fine since reports state he has a high basketball I.Q.
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The play of exum is all that really matters to me in sl
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Agree. Memo used to to do this all the time the defender would run toward him and memo would go right by him getting all the way to the hoop with relative ease. If memo can do this it should be a walk in the park for Lyles assuming he turns into a threat from three. Also the further out Lyles is the more of the court he will see and the more wide open the court will be
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Of course memo was a very very good three point shooter...... Lyles, not so much
 
White Chocolate said:
Lyles would have easily went top-10 if he was the man on a different team. Probably would have averaged 17 and 7.
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How do you know this? Because of his amazing shooting percentages and great stats?

I'm not saying he would not have done great in his sophmore year but I don't think there is anyway to know he would based off his freshman year
 
fishonjazz said:
How do you know this? Because of his amazing shooting percentages and great stats?

I'm not saying he would not have done great in his sophmore year but I don't think there is anyway to know he would based off his freshman year
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He also is a rare case in that he spent so little time at PF so nobody really knows how effective his post moves are, ability to finish over trees and how well he defends down there.

In the small sample sizes i have, doesn't look too good defending around the rim. He's not a NBA SF. Average athletically, not a great shooter.

So if there was a case to be made for a player to spend another season in college I think it was Trey Lyles. I realize he ended up being a lottery pick, but that's about where Jakob was projected as well but he decided to stick around for another season I think he'll be better off because of it.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Well I did include that big if as well


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I will say though that I'm optimistic he will develop his range to at least be respectable the evidence is there. His form is good and is a good ft shooter. If Booker can develop one you'd think Lyles at 19 could over time.


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prodigy said:
He also is a rare case in that he spent so little time at PF so nobody really knows how effective his post moves are, ability to finish over trees and how well he defends down there.

In the small sample sizes i have, doesn't look too good defending around the rim. He's not a NBA SF. Average athletically.

So if there was a case to be made for a player to spend another season in college I think it was Trey Lyles. I realize he ended up being a lottery pick, but that's about where Jakob was projected as well and I think he'll be better off because of it.
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I agree that he is unknown and could use another year in college in his true position.
That was kind of my point though.

It's funny, before the draft there was only maybe two people who thought lyles was good. Now suddenly everyone seems to think he is great and is going to be doing all these amazing things, and that he is the steal of the draft, and would have dominated at Kentucky if he stayed for another year
 
fishonjazz said:
I agree that he is unknown and could use another year in college in his true position.
That was kind of my point though.

It's funny, before the draft there was only maybe two people who thought lyles was good. Now suddenly everyone seems to think he is great and is going to be doing all these amazing things, and that he is the steal of the draft, and would have dominated at Kentucky if he stayed for another year
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The curse of being a fan. Lol
 
You get picked in the lottery I think people automatically make assumptions when a lot of the time we just don't know.
 
prodigy said:
He also is a rare case in that he spent so little time at PF so nobody really knows how effective his post moves are, ability to finish over trees and how well he defends down there.

In the small sample sizes i have, doesn't look too good defending around the rim. He's not a NBA SF. Average athletically, not a great shooter.

So if there was a case to be made for a player to spend another season in college I think it was Trey Lyles. I realize he ended up being a lottery pick, but that's about where Jakob was projected as well but he decided to stick around for another season I think he'll be better off because of it.
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Also Porzingis.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Not to mention 3>2 and long 2s are the worst shot in basketball as everyone should know by now.
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A contested long two is a bad shot, a wide open midrange is a very good shot if the player can make it at a high rate. The trick is getting the shot wide open rather than just settling.
 
If you can get drafted in the lottery, it is AWAYS better for your career to get drafted by a functional NBA team. The University of Utah is not going to develop a lottery talent player like the NBA will, they just don't have the same type of funding, nor does the student/player. If you are a marginal first round talent, it may be worth staying to improve your draft position. You noticed that I said "functional" NBA team. Getting drafted by a team like the Kings is the probable death of your career. Of course that is true if you come out later as well. . .
 
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Sorry to sound crass but, who is Trey Lyles unknown to exactly??

He was a productive starter on one of the most visible college teams ever. He's got an amatuer resume that reads like many other 1 and dones... McDonalds All-American, he was Mr. Basketball in Indiana. An upper echelon 5 star player by all services. He got invited to all of the nationally televised showcase events like the Jordan Brand Classic and Nike Hoops Summit.

Listening to the Jazz f/o they're confident in their player development, so much so they prefer younger players to older ones. Seems safe to assume they've gone out of their way to peg a good project.. no?? If he's a good player NBA player right now is of minor consequence, I'd definitely argue he's a good enough project to get picked where he did.
 
framer said:
If you can get drafted in the lottery, it is AWAYS better for you career to get drafted by a functional NBA team. The University of Utah is not going to develop a lottery talent player like the NBA will, they just don't have the same type of funding, nor does the student/player. If you are a marginal first round talent, it may be worth staying to improve your draft position. You noticed that I said "functional" NBA team. Getting drafted by a team like the Kings is the probable death of your career. Of course that is true if you come out later as well. . .
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The whole idea of turning down guaranteed millions and gambling on an injury just to develop more at the college level is completely ludicrous. I'm a big Ute fan and I'm glad for the team, but if you have a chance to be drafted in the lottery, take the damn money while you can, because there are no guarantees that opportunity won't disappear.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
The whole idea of turning down guaranteed millions and gambling on an injury just to develop more at the college level is completely ludicrous. I'm a big Ute fan and I'm glad for the team, but if you have a chance to be drafted in the lottery, take the damn money while you can, because there are no guarantees that opportunity won't disappear.
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Why do people go to college? I mean outside of the beer, drugs and sex? Isn't it to get out of their parent's basement (unlike many of the posters on this board?). No, seriously, most go to college to get on a better career path. If you can get a guaranteed $3-$12M for 3 years, you DO IT!

Then if your career ends after a 3 year stint in the NBA you can always go back to college for a degree. And what a first job to put on a resume: pro basketball player for 3 years in the NBA. Any player who is a lock to go in the first round is an idiot to turn that down.
 
kabenac said:
Totally wondering how Lyles will play during the summer league. I think Hanlan will play well but I especially want to see how well Lyles picks everything up. Should be fine since reports state he has a high basketball I.Q.
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Last summer league was very indicative of what the players did in the regular season. Burke still sucked for his second SL. Exum played great defense but was invisible offensively. Gobert was a beast.
I'll definitely be paying attention to how Lyles looks at the 4 and 5 spots in SL.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Last summer league was very indicative of what the players did in the regular season. Burke still sucked for his second SL. Exum played great defense but was invisible offensively. Gobert was a beast.
I'll definitely be paying attention to how Lyles looks at the 4 and 5 spots in SL.
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Interesting. I hadn't thought about that, but SL really was predictive of what would eventually happen in the regular season with those three guys. Even Hood showed very good offensive potential and had some big games, but was inconsistent with his shooting.
 
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