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jope said:
opp ppg was largely impacted by our pace, I agree. However, post all-star, we also were 2nd in opponent fg%, 5th in opponent 3pt%, and ranked 6th in paint%, 5th from 5-9ft %, 6th from 15-19ft %, 3rd from 20-24ft %, and 1st from 25+ feet. I don't think the perimeter d is as weak as you think.
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It wasn't, Millsap and Exum hounded their guys constantly. Then you had OK defenders in Hayward and Hood.
 
Here's a quick sketch of how the minutes might be distributed, on average.

Exum (25) / Burks (20)
Carroll (30) / Burks (10) / Hood (8)
Hayward (30) / Hood (18)
Favors (25) / Booker (20) / Lyles (3, and increasing)
Gobert (32) / Favors (7) / Pleiss (9)
 
NAOS said:
Here's a quick sketch of how the minutes might be distributed, on average.

Exum (25) / Burks (20)
Carroll (30) / Burks (10) / Hood (8)
Hayward (30) / Hood (18)
Favors (25) / Booker (20) / Lyles (3, and increasing)
Gobert (32) / Favors (7) / Pleiss (9)
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I'd give Pliess more time at C and Booker less at PF. Give Bookers lost PF minutes to Favors and Lyle. But you did say "and increasing" for Lyles so you already compensate for that to some degree.

Booker will be here but as the season goes on he should get more and more of a back seat.
 
Exum (28)/Burke (15)/Burks (5)
Hood (28)/ Burks (20)
Hayward (32)/Ingles(16)
Favors (32)/Booker (14)/Lyles (2)
Gobert (32)/Pleiss (16)

The cake-baking lineup. Much more comfortable with this, as it maintains cap flexibility for the coming years, has shown extreme defensive competentence (as Jope has mentioned), and it gives us tremendous flexibility on offense. Why we would pay a player >40 mill to play ~70% of his minutes out of position is beyond me. Burke's minutes can be taken away by any number of players if he shows no improvement
 
jope said:
opp ppg was largely impacted by our pace, I agree. However, post all-star, we also were 2nd in opponent fg%, 5th in opponent 3pt%, and ranked 6th in paint%, 5th from 5-9ft %, 6th from 15-19ft %, 3rd from 20-24ft %, and 1st from 25+ feet. I don't think the perimeter d is as weak as you think.
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WE NID PERMTER D THO.
 
ThaPhunkPhenomenon said:
Also lyles with 2-3 minutes a game makes this pick even more horrendous.
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1) injuries 2) if Lyles is promising right right now then Booker is gone 3) Jazz almost went 0.500 with Ingles starting a chunk of games last season. He can handle 16mpg (and I'm sure Elijah will take some of those minutes too, who was very good defensively last season)
 
NAOS said:
What Ellis, Hey Hey, and myself have been saying is that a great slice of Burke's minutes should go to Alec. This frees up minutes for another wing. I know Ellis and myself have been lobbying for Carroll. Not sure about how Hey Hey feels about that part.

And, Yes, it does seem like this is a rare opinion. I think Numberica might feel the same. Not sure.
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I'm down with trading trey or giving backup pg minutes to one of our wings (alec most likely)

With all the trey hate on this board I'm assuming that most are ok with this plan.
 
fishonjazz said:
I'm down with trading trey or giving backup pg minutes to one of our wings (alec most likely)

With all the trey hate on this board I'm assuming that most are ok with this plan.
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Guaranteeing you that those minutes will go to Cotton or Hanlan if the Burke experiment ends.
 
dalamon said:
Guaranteeing you that those minutes will go to Cotton or Hanlan if the Burke experiment ends.
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I agree. I don't see alec getting backup point guard minutes (though I would be fine if he did) which is why I want to let the cake bake.

I was just saying that I would be ok with naos plan of getting carroll if Burks were to get the backup pg minutes
 
ThaPhunkPhenomenon said:
Also lyles with 2-3 minutes a game makes this pick even more horrendous.
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No it does not. I want to see him get more than 2-3 minutes as well but the Jazz can take it slower with Lyles. Get him ready for the next 2-3 seasons when he is the premiary back up at PF and is logging a heavier load.

Jazz are loaded with young talent at every position now. Time is now on their side.
 
NAOS said:
Here's a quick sketch of how the minutes might be distributed, on average.

Exum (25) / Burks (20)
Carroll (30) / Burks (10) / Hood (8)
Hayward (30) / Hood (18)
Favors (25) / Booker (20) / Lyles (3, and increasing)
Gobert (32) / Favors (7) / Pleiss (9)
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Carroll at the 2??? Seriously????


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
 
dalamon said:
Exum (28)/Burke (15)/Burks (5)
Hood (28)/ Burks (20)
Hayward (32)/Ingles(16)
Favors (32)/Booker (14)/Lyles (2)
Gobert (32)/Pleiss (16)

The cake-baking lineup. Much more comfortable with this, as it maintains cap flexibility for the coming years, has shown extreme defensive competentence (as Jope has mentioned), and it gives us tremendous flexibility on offense. Why we would pay a player >40 mill to play ~70% of his minutes out of position is beyond me. Burke's minutes can be taken away by any number of players if he shows no improvement
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keep strumming that tune, boi. You may want to watch some Hawks basketball soon, though.... or you can continue sounding like a fool instead.... if you want.
 
NAOS said:
Here's a quick sketch of how the minutes might be distributed, on average.

Exum (25) / Burks (20)
Carroll (30) / Burks (10) / Hood (8)
Hayward (30) / Hood (18)
Favors (25) / Booker (20) / Lyles (3, and increasing)
Gobert (32) / Favors (7) / Pleiss (9)
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If the Jazz wanted to add Carroll, this is how I'd see the average minutes stacking up. While the numbers would vary nightly, this is essentially getting the bulk of the minutes to the starters, top 4 reserves and then some of the young players who need experience to develop.

1 (48 minutes) - Exum (24), Burks (20), Burke/Cotton/Hanlan (4)

2/3 (96 minutes) - Hayward (30), Carroll (30), Hood (24), Burks (8), Jingles/Millsap (4)

4/5 (96 minutes) - Favors (30), Gobert (30), Booker (16), Lyles (12), Pleiss (8)

Playoff rotation (top 9 players) of Exum, Burks, Hood, Hayward, Carroll, Booker, Lyles, Favors and Gobert. Maybe swap some of Booker's minutes to Jingles if the other team goes with a lot of small-ball lineups.
 
fishonjazz said:
Wait, are you saying that the rest of the board do not want to trade trey? I'm going to have to say you are way off on that one
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No I"m saying that most of the board seems to think that Trey can handle PG better than Alec can. Also I should have included you in that list that thinks otherwise.
 
♪alt13 said:
No I"m saying that most of the board seems to think that Trey can handle PG better than Alec can. Also I should have included you in that list that thinks otherwise.
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Oh I see.
For that I have no idea but I would like to find out!
 
Stoked said:
No it does not. I want to see him get more than 2-3 minutes as well but the Jazz can take it slower with Lyles. Get him ready for the next 2-3 seasons when he is the premiary back up at PF and is logging a heavier load.

Jazz are loaded with young talent at every position now. Time is now on their side.
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You cant develop players play 2-3 minutes? WHAT IS THIS?????
 
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