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[Stifle Tower]

Again if you think Burke regressed last season then we don't agree and I'd say the team doesn't agree with you either.

Sure this could be as good as it gets for Trey or he could become an all star. Which is the point why make that decision right now. His contract is team friendly (as all rookie deals are). He's a hard worker and a good locker guy.

What were his shooting %'s from rookie to soph. How many shots did he take? I'd say jacking up more shots while shooting a lower percentage is regression. And don't give me excuses about Trey having to take shots. He had better teammates last year than previous as the record shows. And he was relegated to the 2nd unit because he was passing less to the starters...that's regression.

Unfortunately most teams have the same opinion. Trey was shopped and DL apparently didn't get any decent offers.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Dellavedova or Burke?
Doesn't appear as if the Cavs can keep Dellavedova. They made him a QO so he's a restricted free agent but have been unable to reach a contract agreement and are being tax conscious. MD wants $4M apparently. Would be an easy trade as it saves Cleveland $1.3M in salary (what Burke will make vs. what Dellavedova wants). I'm on the fence over this one. MD is more of a combo guard. But then again, TB plays like one too.

 

[da ThRONe]

What were his shooting %'s from rookie to soph. How many shots did he take? I'd say jacking up more shots while shooting a lower percentage is regression. And don't give me excuses about Trey having to take shots. He had better teammates last year than previous as the record shows. And he was relegated to the 2nd unit because he was passing less to the starters...that's regression.

Unfortunately most teams have the same opinion. Trey was shopped and DL apparently didn't get any decent offers.

Shooting a lower percentage is just one aspect of basketball. He improved defensively and got to the cup much easier. You can't ignore the fact that he was clearly told to be more aggressive offensively because it doesn't suit your position.

As for the trading Burke situation that's not what was reported. It was reported DL's received offers he just was in a position of power and didn't see a need to settle on a trade.

 

[Red]

Shooting a lower percentage is just one aspect of basketball. He improved defensively and got to the cup much easier. You can't ignore the fact that he was clearly told to be more aggressive offensively because it doesn't suit your position.

As for the trading Burke situation that's not what was reported. It was reported DL's received offers he just was in a position of power and didn't see a need to settle on a trade.

Thanks for clarifying the trade thing. That's a big difference in what was happening at draft time then what I thought. I thought they were actively shopping him; not so. I'm sure Burke will fight tooth and nail to be no worse then backup pg.

 

[da ThRONe]

Thanks for clarifying the trade thing. That's a big difference in what was happening at draft time then what I thought. I thought they were actively shopping him; not so. I'm sure Burke will fight tooth and nail to be no worse then backup pg.

No the report said the team was actively looking to trade Burke, but for nothing less than what DL thought was equal value for Burke.

 

[Crawlnstall]

I was beyond excited when we drafted Trey, I thought he was gonna be the PG of the future. He showed good passing skills and a decent jump shot...I don't know what happened but he is not the player I thought he was gonna be. I agree that he could, and probably will, improve. But I'm not expecting him to get much better. It's sad though, he could have been great

 

[BabyPeterzz]

You don't trade a 2nd year lotto pick unless you get good value. Especially since he's part of the cake. Patience people.

Burke is now projecting to be a back up, and one with growth potential. He's coachable, a team player, and has the clutch gene. Dude is fearless, often to his detriment. But remember, he's an ingredient, on on cheap deal. Our money's on X, developing Burke is worth the opportunity cost.

This is a big year for him. It will determine his fate. I like the guy, I hope he figures it out.


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[Stifle Tower]

You don't trade a 2nd year lotto pick unless you get good value. Especially since he's part of the cake. Patience people.

Burke is now projecting to be a back up, and one with growth potential. He's coachable, a team player, and has the clutch gene. Dude is fearless, often to his detriment. But remember, he's an ingredient, on on cheap deal. Our money's on X, developing Burke is worth the opportunity cost.

This is a big year for him. It will determine his fate. I like the guy, I hope he figures it out.


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This is said so many times because he made some shots his rookie season. So what was his "clutch" number last year? Sorry but when you're shooting 37%/32% and insist on taking 13 shots/per, you shoot your team out of games far more often than hitting a big shot in the 4th quarter.

 

[NAOS]

This is said so many times because he made some shots his rookie season. So what was his "clutch" number last year? Sorry but when you're shooting 37%/32% and insist on taking 13 shots/per, you shoot your team out of games far more often than hitting a big shot in the 4th quarter.

At this point I think it's fair to say that the Jazz FO sees much more in Burke than you do. I mean, he didn't suit up for Summer League, and I think he would have if he were seriously competing for a job.

Personally, I'm still half expecting a small trade featuring Burke, but that is quickly reducing from half. Probably best to start hoping he puts things together... and that the FO is confident that he will (to some extent, at least).

 

[JAZZGASM]

At this point I think it's fair to say that the Jazz FO sees much more in Burke than you do. I mean, he didn't suit up for Summer League, and I think he would have if he were seriously competing for a job.

Personally, I'm still half expecting a small trade featuring Burke, but that is quickly reducing from half. Probably best to start hoping he puts things together... and that the FO is confident that he will (to some extent, at least).

If they are shopping him, no way they put him in SL.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Bailing on our lotto pick, BACKUP PG after 2 seasons? Who are we? The Kings? Upgrading the backup PG ain't what's standing between the Jazz and contention, folks. You give him at least till ASB. At least.


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[gregbroncs]

At this point I think it's fair to say that the Jazz FO sees much more in Burke than you do. I mean, he didn't suit up for Summer League, and I think he would have if he were seriously competing for a job.

Personally, I'm still half expecting a small trade featuring Burke, but that is quickly reducing from half. Probably best to start hoping he puts things together... and that the FO is confident that he will (to some extent, at least).

3rd year players rarely play in SL. Hell 2nd year players that played decent amount of minutes in their rookie seasons rarely play more than spot minutes in SL. No way a guy with the minutes Burke got in the regular season going to be asked or agree to go play in SL. Nothing to be gained by it. He's got a fight on his hands in camp for the backup PG spot. If he loses that battle for backup PG he'll have no worth in a trade. So if the Jazz feel he is likely to lose that battle, then they need to trade him before hand.

 

[Ron Mexico]

He's got a fight on his hands in camp for the backup PG spot. If he loses that battle for backup PG he'll have no worth in a trade. So if the Jazz feel he is likely to lose that battle, then they need to trade him before hand.

Losing the back up spot is a possibility. Its also a possibility that he outplays Exum and earns a starting spot.

The team has more to gain from waiting and seeing how he plays this season then trading him.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Losing the back up spot is a possibility. Its also a possibility that he outplays Exum and earns a starting spot.

The team has more to gain from waiting and seeing how he plays this season then trading him.

Never going to happen. Even if Exum struggles offensively and Burke shoots lights out, Utah has committed to Dante as the starter. Maybe you'd see Dante play a little less and Burke a little more, but you don't change the chemistry of the starting unit, especially when Exum has shown such great defensive ability.

I do agree a trade is NOT going to happen in the near future. Unless a team has a season-ending injury to a PG, I don't see anything transpiring until near the deadline. DL already shopped him and didn't receive any acceptable offers. Jazz need Burke to establish value by playing well. If he does, they can get a decent return. But that also depends on if they feel Neto and Cotton are ready to move up - in some order - to #2 and #3.

Of course, if Burke is playing well and the Jazz are fighting for playoff position, why weaken the team, even if they're going to try to trade him again next summer. And if he's shooting poorly again, he doesn't have less value than he has right now.

 

[NAOS]

Losing the back up spot is a possibility. Its also a possibility that he outplays Exum and earns a starting spot.

The team has more to gain from waiting and seeing how he plays this season then trading him.

I like your balanced approach to Trey Burke, but that bold stuff is ****, man.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I want Exum to start. I think his potential is really high. I do think the Jazz are committed to him. I dont think our Coach would leave Exum as starter if he is really getting outplayed night in and night out by Burke. Coach would lose respect so fast from the players if he did that, that does not seem like a Quinn move to me.

Of course my hope is they both come out and play incredible, Exum stays starting and Burke comes off the bench and kills it.

 

[gregbroncs]

Losing the back up spot is a possibility. Its also a possibility that he outplays Exum and earns a starting spot.

The team has more to gain from waiting and seeing how he plays this season then trading him.

More to lose as well. And I see about a .000001 chance that he starts the season baring injury. I see about a 40% chance he's 3rd string.

 

[gregbroncs]

I want Exum to start. I think his potential is really high. I do think the Jazz are committed to him. I dont think our Coach would leave Exum as starter if he is really getting outplayed night in and night out by Burke. Coach would lose respect so fast from the players if he did that, that does not seem like a Quinn move to me.

Of course my hope is they both come out and play incredible, Exum stays starting and Burke comes off the bench and kills it.

Good/Better players come off of the bench behind players playing worse all the time. Sometimes it's the fit within the lineup sometime players play better off of the bench. Burke was terrible with the starters last year. He was marginally better off of the bench. However the starters were far better without him. Therefore I believe Quin would be in more danger of losing the team if he went back to something that was not working than sticking with something that did work.

 

[Red]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...n-trey-burkes-trade-status-cavaliers-and-more

"Despite his young age of 22 years, his status as a former ninth overall selection in the 2013 draft and some glimpses of promise during his two-year NBA career, the Utah Jazz were reportedly shopping point guard Trey Burke in an effort to make a draft-day deal this year, according to Jody Genessy of the Deseret News.

The team has a logjam at the guard position with Dante Exum, Raul Neto and Bryce Cotton also in the fold. Utah did appear to be leaning in favor of Neto—perhaps a big reason why the rumors surrounding Burke began—but after his performances during the summer, Burke appears to be staying put, according to a tweet from Tony Jones of the Salt Lake Tribune:


Tony Jones @Tjonessltrib
I've been told the Jazz are happy with Trey Burke's work this summer https://twitter.com/AncapUte/status/622502025410904064 …
6:46 PM - 18 Jul 2015

Burke is coming off a season in which he averaged 12.8 points, 2.7 rebounds and 4.3 assists per game while shooting 36.8 percent from the floor and 31.8 percent from downtown in 30.1 minutes per contest. Most of those numbers—especially his shooting percentages—were down from his rookie campaign by a significant margin.

Still, Burke is a young player who is still getting his feet under him at the professional level. He's also entering the final years of his contract with Utah. Jones stressed the importance of his upcoming campaign:


Tony Jones @Tjonessltrib
Trey's going into the biggest season of NBA career. Needs to play well on both ends https://twitter.com/Bigalbornholdt/status/622947270426689536 …
9:55 PM - 19 Jul 2015

If Burke can live up to his potential this season, he could earn a lucrative deal next summer when the salary cap increases. However, if he continues to struggle, he may have a hard time finding opportunities across the NBA.

 

[Ron Mexico]

More to lose as well. And I see about a .000001 chance that he starts the season baring injury. I see about a 40% chance he's 3rd string.

The have nothing to lose. You said trey has no trade value or little value and would be okay with cutting him for nothing. We can cut him for nothing or trade him for little later. Nothing lost. Those stats seem pretty scientific and thought through .

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