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Stifle Tower
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Can you cite the sources that say there is a significant bump after year 3 or did you just pull that out of your hat? Because I've also heard the biggest jump is between years 1 and 2. And guys like Deron and CP3 (and many others) made a huge leap midway through their first seasons. You are right, players develop at different rates. However, based on the fact Trey has shown very little improvement, and maybe even regression in terms of selfishness, many of us don't believe a huge light is going to go on this season. But who knows, maybe it will take Trey four years or six years before he turns into this magically wonderful PG.
da ThRONe
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If you are really interested you can look at stats from some of the better PG's. Generally you see a significant bump in year 3. Although for most of the guys in that category all experience a slight increase in stats from year 1 to year 2 as well.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Why would my mouth be full of asterisks?
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Like stifle said, how long should we wait for trey to become a great point guard? Since players improve at different rates should we wait 3 years, 5 years, 10 years for trey to become great if he continues to suck?
Some of us want to be contenders rather soon
This is also one of David Locke's pet theories.
karl malone
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With the signing of Neto & the drafting of Hanlan, I hope Burke is traded so that Cotton will get the opportunity to stick with this team. Even by using Hanlan primarily as a SG, I don't see how there will be enough minutes at the PG position for all of Exum, Burke, Neto, & Cotton (unless maybe if Exum sees significant time at SG, which could then instead cause minute distribution issues at the SG position). I wouldn't trade Burke for less than fair value just in order to keep Hanlan, but I would likely do so for Cotton. The timing of bringing Neto over surprised me & makes me believe that 1 of Burke/Cotton will not be on the roster come opening day.
It might seem crazy to trade a recent #9 draft pick to retain a recently undrafted FA signing, but considering the potential that the 2 players have shown up to this point, I would be highly disappointed if Cotton was released in order to keep Burke on this roster. I like Burke & still believe in his long-term potential, but the team, as a unit, is progressing faster than Burke is, as an individual. I still think Burke could be a fringe starting caliber PG in this league one day, but Cotton has more to offer to this team right now & possibly even in the future. I don't know about potential suitors for Burke, but I hope one can be found so that at least some of the value that went into obtaining him can be recouped.
It might seem crazy to trade a recent #9 draft pick to retain a recently undrafted FA signing, but considering the potential that the 2 players have shown up to this point, I would be highly disappointed if Cotton was released in order to keep Burke on this roster. I like Burke & still believe in his long-term potential, but the team, as a unit, is progressing faster than Burke is, as an individual. I still think Burke could be a fringe starting caliber PG in this league one day, but Cotton has more to offer to this team right now & possibly even in the future. I don't know about potential suitors for Burke, but I hope one can be found so that at least some of the value that went into obtaining him can be recouped.
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gregbroncs
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hanlan is not making this team. And he's virtually irrelevant to this conversation. Otherwise I generally agree with your post. I think We'll start the season with 4 PG's. I just don't think it will stay that way for long.
Stifle Tower
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Locke comes up with whatever theory fits his current opinion. It's the opposite of the scientific method.
da ThRONe
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How long did the team wait for Hayward? Again it depends largely on the team and what they think of Burke. Personally I would think this is his most important year. He's shown the flashes he's just been unacceptablely inconsistent. He's on a rookie contract and he's not a problem in the locker room. If Cotton beats him out in camp that's one thing
Stifle Tower
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Hayward and Favors showed good progression from years 1 to 2 which continued on to 3, etc. Conversely, Burke regressed. It could be argued he's already as good as he'll ever be and at best his shooting will return to where it was his rookie year. One thing is certain: he'll never grow taller or become appreciably faster.
I feel like it's pretty common knowledge, Stifle, that historically point guards see the biggest jump between year 2 and year 3. I recall reading it in a Nate Silver piece (or maybe his book) fairly recently, and I also remember that everyone was astounded at the improvement that D-Will showed between year one and year two, since that was historically irregular. I'll see if I can drag up some links when I'm home.
da ThRONe
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Again if you think Burke regressed last season then we don't agree and I'd say the team doesn't agree with you either.
Sure this could be as good as it gets for Trey or he could become an all star. Which is the point why make that decision right now. His contract is team friendly (as all rookie deals are). He's a hard worker and a good locker guy.
gregbroncs
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Maybe that's the biggest difference in these 2 points of view. To me at best Burke was the same player, But I see him as having regressed. I doubt his ability to fit this system, and don't believe he has the skills to make up for lack of size, strength and speed he is missing. I'd rather they trade him simply to save face for the franchise, but as I've said before I would be fine with it if they straight up cut him because I really don't see much worth in keeping him if he loses the backup job.
da ThRONe
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How about just wait and see? Trey could lose his backup spot or he could steal back the starting gig. Why cut the guy because you don't think he'll get better? How is it beneficial to not let this play out of course unless you can get value in a trade?
Maybe because you have determined that his physical liabilities will never change and will never be overcome? He is short and slow, and has not demonstrated compensating abilities.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Even if you have determined that, how does it benefit the team to cut him now?