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Summer 2015: FIBA games of Utah Jazz players
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seattlejazzfan
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Hard to say. I only saw Pleiss for about 8 of his 25 minutes. I wasn't able to watch the entire game and I was pretty unlucky in terms of when Pleiss was in the game - saw about 4 minutes of Pleiss in the 1st half and about 3-4 minutes of him in the second half. There was one play where he came out to contest a three by Ilyasova, EI drove by him, he couldn't quite recover and Ilyasova dumped off to a teammate for an easy layup.
The bottom line defensively, is that Pleiss will struggle on the perimeter, but almost any guy his size will struggle defending out there - I think about a guy like Rik Smits who would be a rich man's Pleiss - he couldn't defend out there to save his neck. Most 7'3"+ guys, unless they are freak athletes will have a hard time defending the 3 point line. The question with Pleiss is whether he can make people pay on the other end with offensive rebounding and scoring in the paint - and I think he has a chance to do that.
framer
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Yeah, I can see why you would want to freeze a guy like that out of the offense. . .
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they've been steadily talented for what, the past ten years? Talent is always there, the coaching isn't.
European leagues don't work like college basketball.
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this. Stifle Tower is kinda freakign out about nothing here. It's just a comp, dude. Easy.
Besides, Rubio was averaging hilariously low assist numbers before he got to the NBA, and ppl would point to it being all like "his passing is overrated!!!!". Dude comes here, averages almost 10.
Just checked it, Rubio was getting like 4-5 apg in 22 minutes.....
His shooting efficiency was awful though and it's still awful.
Uhh, Greg Monroe is a great passer. I wouldn't say it was that clear. Tomic makes some flashy post passes, but Monroe coming out of college was known as an elite passing big.
He averaged 4 apg in college as a big.....
The point is that it isn't such an obvious answer as you made it out to be. It's probably pretty arguable.
Stifle Tower
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I'm not "freakign out." The post was made that Turkey is going to be very good and Korkmaz' comp is Gordon Hayward. Merely pointed out that, IMO, comps are ridiculous and let's wait until Korkmaz puts up the numbers to back that claim. Sorry if I offended you by posting my opinion, which is what I thought fan boards were for. Oh wait, I'm not sorry.
seattlejazzfan
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anybody who thought 4-5 assists in 22 minutes playing in the Europe leagues isn't great wasn't paying attention.
5 assists in 22 minutes in the NBA puts you right among the leaders, then you add how hard it is to get credit for an assist in Europe, that is elite.
5 assists in 22 minutes in the NBA puts you right among the leaders, then you add how hard it is to get credit for an assist in Europe, that is elite.
His best season of assist in Europe per 48 minutes is nearly the same as his best season in the NBA in assist per 48 minutes.
4 apg in 22 minutes is high for Europe. Stat keepers are ridiculously stingy with assists. Also good passers usually benefit from playing with better athletes and in more open court game in the NBA.
Game6Conley
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Might take a few years but they will have at least fringe NBA-level talent at all 5 positions, which I don't think has been the case, like many countries they lacked top-level guards.
Seems like a lot of the countries are missing out on top level point guards. I think Serbia and Spain are exceptions to this, but you see that many of the countries ringer is a point guard. Turkey looks real strong for the future. I think them and France will probably be the biggest challengers to the US in the future. Spain has some nice young guys as well. From outside of Europe certainly Brazil looks pretty strong as well.