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Stoked said:
In my case they are in my bed side safe. 4 key strokes and it opens and my weapon is right there. Already loaded with no safety. I have dogs so will be awoken and most likely have time to retrieve my weapon before confronting a thief. I doubt they rush straight to my room in the 15 seconds it takes to get my weapon.
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So every time your dogs bark in the night, you wake up and reach straight for the pistol?
 
Stoked said:
I am pro guns but fully believe that are several steps that can be taken to alleviate a very real and very complicated problem. Which includes but is not limited to re-examining how guns are obtained and who can get them.
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And how would that have prevented (or at the very least affected) the most recent mass shooting? No mental illness. All purchased legally with background checks.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
And how would that have prevented (or at the very least affected) the most recent mass shooting? No mental illness. All purchased legally with background checks.
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No system is perfect. Not even an unrealistic gun ban. It could have helped prevent Sandy hook, Aurora, Columbine...
 
JimLes said:
So every time your dogs bark in the night, you wake up and reach straight for the pistol?
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Are you unable to tell when a dog is barking at some random noise or when a dog is aggressive? Are you unable to accept that many guns, as evidenced by the burglars that get shot by people, are more obtainable than opening a safe, loading, removing a safety...

Come on man. No world is so black and white. Stop dealing in absolutes.
 
Stoked said:
No system is perfect. Not even an unrealistic gun ban. It could have helped prevent Sandy hook, Aurora, Columbine...
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How?

Are gun laws REALLY the reason the US has a staggeringly higher gun violence rate?

Why is this entire topic nothing but ideological hypotheticals?

Only thing to be taken from this thread so far:

"Fewer guns would be nice but it'll never happen."

Thanks, guys. Hopefully I'm not a victim in the next mass shooting, 'cause nothing will be changed. The public is so enamored with each individual's own idealism that it takes more than a rate of a mass killing every few months to get me to reevaluate my position.
 
Stoked said:
Are you unable to tell when a dog is barking at some random noise or when a dog is aggressive? Are you unable to accept that many guns, as evidenced by the burglars that get shot by people, are more obtainable than opening a safe, loading, removing a safety...
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How many burglars get shot by people versus people who get shot by burglars? Since you don't like dealing in absolutes, maybe we should look at statistics. In other words, surely we can get some sort of an idea of how likely a gun in the hands of the homeowner is to prevent a robbery.
 
JimLes said:
How many burglars get shot by people versus people who get shot by burglars? Since you don't like dealing in absolutes, maybe we should look at statistics. In other words, surely we can get some sort of an idea of how likely a gun in the hands of the homeowner is to prevent a robbery.
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It would be a good study to look at.

Changing gears. Let's put the gun ban discussion aside for a minute.

To me there has to be something mentally wrong with these mass shooters. Agreed?

Sandyhook for example. How far out was that man that he could sit there and look these children in eyes and then kill them. To hear their cries and see their bodies. Sweet lord it gives me chills just typing that. Look at all the recent shootings. It is all the time now!

So aside from taking weapons away why are people going crazy/insane?

I think it is a variety of things.

Lack of focus on family structure (2 parents living in the same home with their kids, involved), worsening and politicizing of education, the growing embrace of violence, drugs, intimacy by entertainment (music, books, movies...), prescription drug addiction, over using prescriptions for anything (everyone is suddenly ADD)...

What is driving more and more Americans bat crap crazy.
 
Jamezz said:
If cops came asking for my guns no I wouldn't shoot them you dumb dumb...
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Yay! Ad hominem!

Jamezz said:
But that's just me. As Howard said maybe somebody would causing an escalation nationwide. I still don't understand why you're taking the conversation there. Everything should be solved by peaceful means if possible. Violence should always be the last resort on both sides of the spectrum.
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But that's the point. Everyone says, "Oh, SOMEONE would shoot at cops, but not me..."

I'm saying it's a red herring. And, again, as has been mentioned before, the concept that people would disobey laws, even violently, has never been a reason not to enact them.
 
gandalfe said:
Yay! Ad hominem!



But that's the point. Everyone says, "Oh, SOMEONE would shoot at cops, but not me..."

I'm saying it's a red herring. And, again, as has been mentioned before, the concept that people would disobey laws, even violently, has never been a reason not to enact them.
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Thanks for your input Stalin.
 
gandalfe said:
Yay! Ad hominem!



But that's the point. Everyone says, "Oh, SOMEONE would shoot at cops, but not me..."

I'm saying it's a red herring. And, again, as has been mentioned before, the concept that people would disobey laws, even violently, has never been a reason not to enact them.
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Except that some one always does. Especially in the current trend of anti police sentiment (not getting into why its increasing). Hell some cops are being lured into ambushes and shot in their cars now.

Especially when you have officers publicly saying that they would refuse such an order. Then what?
 
Stoked said:
Except that some one always does. Especially in the current trend of anti police sentiment (not getting into why its increasing). Hell some cops are being lured into ambushes and shot in their cars now.

Especially when you have officers publicly saying that they would refuse such an order. Then what?
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And that is an interesting question. Much like Kim Davis, what do you do when a public official refuses to follow the law?
 
JimLes said:
How many burglars get shot by people versus people who get shot by burglars? Since you don't like dealing in absolutes, maybe we should look at statistics. In other words, surely we can get some sort of an idea of how likely a gun in the hands of the homeowner is to prevent a robbery.
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I know that I have seen statistics on it, but am too lazy to look it up at the moment. My recollection is that you are far more likely to have your own gun used on you than use it against an intruder, but that was years ago, and I don't know what the numbers say currently.
 
Stoked said:
A CC permit hold could very well have their firearm on them.

In my case they are in my bed side safe. 4 key strokes and it opens and my weapon is right there. Already loaded with no safety. I have dogs so will be awoken and most likely have time to retrieve my weapon before confronting a thief. I doubt they rush straight to my room in the 15 seconds it takes to get my weapon.

But anything can happen and I pray I never have to find out.
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Good response.
My scenario is similar. I have a handgun a few steps away from my bed too and a dog that would alert me.

The key is the dog. Without the dog maybe you never wake up to retrieve the gun
 
JimLes said:
So every time your dogs bark in the night, you wake up and reach straight for the pistol?
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I actually do. It's rare that he barks in the night but when he does I take it serious
 
Howard said:
You're a tad bit of an extremist here. I don't think anybody has said killing people is cool, or fun, or that they want to. People that think like that, they're not ok in the head. Have you had any experience with guns? Ever shot one? I'm just curious what your experience with them is, outside of what you hear on the news.
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Jim, still waiting on a response.

Howard said:
But let's figure this out: what are we banning and why?
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And if anybody could answer this, I think that would be quite helpful.
 
Soooooo are we just going to ignore that this dude was explicitly targeting Christians? Anybody today who is killing people because they don't agree with their belief sets, that's a messed up person.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Shouldn't that be your actual response?
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Well, not really. Some people have to kill during their job. Policeman, soldiers, etc.

I would imagine it messes with their pic hey for sure, but I also wouldn't compare it to a murderer. I was trying to make that distinction without using a lot of words. Obviously some people in those roles abuse that power, and that is messed up and wrong. But you know what I'm saying here.
 
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