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shout-out to Canada for managing to get rid of Ted Cruz & sending him south
 
♪alt13 said:
Canada also wants the Keystone pipeline, wants America to secure it's arctic oil interests, and underfunds its NATO obligations.

Woot Canada:/

Srsly dal. America can't afford the sort of things da Bern talks about in large part because we do things like bomb Milosevic after a year of trying to get other nations to step up for once. The rest of the world sucks 10 times harder if America is Canada.
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- of course. The world owes America tons
- America cant afford universal healthcare? Look alt-- no other country spends more on health care-- whether we are talking lump sum, or % of GDP. Seriously.

Let me hear you out. Let's see some numbers to prove the lack of realism of Bernie's desires
 
Jamezz said:
Thanks Joe, how's business?
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Haven't gotten to break as many fingers as usual lately. That's a good thing and a bad thing, you knowz. Fitted a guy for cement shoes and took him on a one way boat ride the other day, though. It was a really nice day, even though it was rainy and windy. I love the outdoors.
 
dalamon said:
- of course. The world owes America tons
- America cant afford universal healthcare? Look alt-- no other country spends more on health care-- whether we are talking lump sum, or % of GDP. Seriously.

Let me hear you out. Let's see some numbers to prove the lack of realism of Bernie's desires
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Right now we can't IMO. TO much spending elsewhere.

But I do think America has enough money for that if they got smart about what to spend on.

To me it is like the guy who can't buy those work boots they need because they just blew $500 on useless crap they don't really need. Over and over and over and over...
 
b_line said:
It's pretty ironic that Cruz is running for president and yet he has criticized Obama's birth certificate.
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I never ever understood that whole birther argument.

Obama could have been born in Kenya, Russia, the moon, bottom of the sea...his mom is a US citizen and so he is a citizen by birth and he lived in the US long enough to qualify. Right? Am I missing something?
 
Stoked said:
Looks like this is boiling down to Trump, Carson, Cruz and Rubio on one side and Clinton and Sanders on the other.
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Yep. And for those who are curious, my support of those candidates is something like this:

Trump 0%
Carson 35%
Cruz 15%
Rubio 95%
Clinton 0%
Sanders 0%


I *so* hope Rubio wins the Republican nomination. If Trump wins, I will vote for a third party candidate in the general election or maybe write in Rubio. If Carson wins I will probably vote for him. If Cruz wins, I'd *maybe* vote for him, but I'd have to do some more serious research and soul-searching first.
 
Jamezz said:
Something I find interesting, why is it that there are always less Democratic debates and candidates than on the Republican side?
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This is only "always true" if you're looking at just the last cycle. This went the other way in 2004 when a crap ton of Democrats ran against an incumbent.

Even in 2008, 8 notable Dems ran and the field got narrowed to Hillary, Obama and John Edwards over the course of a few months of debates. That's the exact same number as the notable GOP candidates (this was the Fred Thompson election, RIP).

So, in other words, you recognized a pattern that doesn't exist. Good job!

b_line said:
Guys. I just learned that the Egyptian built the pyramids for grain storage. And Joseph was in charge of building them. With his techno dream coat. Who did I learn this from, you might ask? None other than Dr Ben Carson.
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I have this sneaking suspicion that amateur Egyptology won't hurt Carson's poll numbers in Utah.
 
Stoked said:
I never ever understood that whole birther argument.

Obama could have been born in Kenya, Russia, the moon, bottom of the sea...his mom is a US citizen and so he is a citizen by birth and he lived in the US long enough to qualify. Right? Am I missing something?
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The question is what the phrase "natural born citizen" in the Constitution means, which afaik has never been clarified by the Supreme Court. Personally I believe that if it came to it, they would rule exactly what you said, that it means someone who has been a citizen since birth, and therefore the whole birther argument is just stupid. But others disagree. And apparently just because you were born to US citizen parents hasn't always meant that you were automatically a citizen yourself. Here's some more reading. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause
 
Add Ben Carson to the list of lying candidates. He fabricated basically hus entire childhood in his biography. He claimed to have been admitted to Westpoint and offered a full scholarship, yet he never even applied.

Now he is an idiot and a liar.
 
b_line said:
Add Ben Carson to the list of lying candidates. He fabricated basically hus entire childhood in his biography. He claimed to have been admitted to Westpoint and offered a full scholarship, yet he never even applied.

Now he is an idiot and a liar.
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ok you said it so must be true.
yet provide no impartial link or evidence.

but whatever bro i trust you 110%
 
b_line said:
Add Ben Carson to the list of lying candidates. He fabricated basically hus entire childhood in his biography. He claimed to have been admitted to Westpoint and offered a full scholarship, yet he never even applied.

Now he is an idiot and a liar.
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Why do people lie about stuff like that? There is no reason for it, ugh.

I'll have to look into that.
 
DutchJazzer said:
ok you said it so must be true.
yet provide no impartial link or evidence.

but whatever bro i trust you 110%
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https://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598

Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson on Friday conceded that he never applied nor was granted admission to West Point and attempted to recast his previous claims of a full scholarship to the military academy -- despite numerous public and written statements to the contrary over the last few decades.

West Point has occupied a central place in Carson’s personal story for years. According to a tale told in his book, “Gifted Hands,” the then-17 year old was introduced in 1969 to Gen. William Westmoreland, who had just ended his command of U.S. forces in Vietnam, and the two dined together. That meeting, according to Carson’s telling, was followed by the offer of a “full scholarship” to the military academy.

West Point, however, has no record of Carson applying, much less being extended admission.
“In 1969, those who would have completed the entire process would have received their acceptance letters from the Army Adjutant General,” said Theresa Brinkerhoff, a spokeswoman for the academy. She said West Point has no records that indicate Carson even began the application process. “If he chose to pursue (the application process), then we would have records indicating such,” she said.

When presented by POLITICO with these facts, Carson’s campaign conceded he never applied.
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Sirkickyass said:
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598
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Politico has rewritten the headline, lede, and several portions of the text of an article accusing Ben Carson of “fabricating” part of his personal biography involving the Military Academy at West Point.

The story, bearing the byline of reporter Kyle Cheney, now omits the original version’s declarations that Carson’s statements were false or fraudulent, as seen in an archive of the article.

The original headline reads: “Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship.”

The updated headline reads: “Exclusive: Carson claimed West Point ‘scholarship’ but never applied.”

The original lede reads: “Carson’s campaign on Friday admitted that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated.”

The update reads: “Republican hits POLITICO story, later admits to The New York Times he wasn’t offered aid.”

The article’s original first paragraph reads:

Ben Carson’s campaign on Friday admitted, in a response to an inquiry from POLITICO, that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated: his application and acceptance into the U.S. Military Academy at West Point.

The updated first paragraph reads:

Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson on Friday conceded that he never applied nor was granted admission to West Point and attempted to recast his previous claims of a full scholarship to the military academy — despite numerous public and written statements to the contrary over the last few decades.

Later on, the original draft states: “When presented with this evidence, Carson’s campaign conceded the story was false.”

The updated story has amended this story to: “When presented by POLITICO with these facts, Carson’s campaign conceded he never applied.”

Politico has taken a drubbing on social media and from outlets on the left and right since the original article was published and subsequently questioned on Friday morning.

As Breitbart News Senior Editor-at-Large Ben Shapiro characterized the backlash:

Politico went for a hit and came up short. In the end, they stepped on a rake. Carson, whose campaign is largely built around bashing the media as biased attack machines for the left, will emerge not only unscathed, but stronger.
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source breidbat like politico is to the left. breidbart is to the right
 
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