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b_line said:
Full scholarship was written in the book. At best he was misrepresenting facts to look better in his book.
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Here's what the book says again:
At the end of my twelfth grade I marched at the head of the Memorial Day parade. I felt so proud, my chest bursting with ribbons and braids of every kind. To make it more wonderful, We had important visitors that day. Two soldiers who had won the Congressional Medal of Honor in Viet Nam were present. More exciting to me, General William Westmoreland (very prominent in the Viet Nam war) attended with an impressive entourage. Afterward, Sgt. Hunt introduced me to General Westmoreland, and I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners. Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point. I didn’t refuse the scholarship outright, but I let them know that a military career wasn’t where I saw myself going.
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Can you really not see that it's obvious from context that he did not apply? He never implied that he did. He's been caught in a lie that he didn't tell. The wording in the Politico column was a million times more misrepresenting than his wording in his bio.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Here's what the book says again:

Can you really not see that it's obvious from context that he did not apply? He never implied that he did. He's been caught in a lie that he didn't tell. The wording in the Politico column was a million times more misrepresenting than his wording in his bio.
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I get that, but scholarship at west point isn't a thing, it's just not. As a supposed genius doctor and a kid who had just finished rotc he is either dumbing it down or misrepresenting it. It doesn't really matter though, because he won't win. The guy is a bumbling mess. He really pulls off the whole idiot savant thing.
 
True story: I had a dream last night that I was part of the next Republican debate. Apparently the debate was in my town (not sure where that was in dream-land, probably not Orem), in a high school that had a gym like an LDS "cultural hall", i.e. with a stage to the side. I and a couple of my friends decided to declare for the Republican nomination on the spot and somehow were offered spots on the stage. Or maybe just I was offered a spot and my friends weren't. We probably decided to declare because of a general dissatisfaction of the Republican candidates (Rubio wasn't there). There weren't any chairs, though, the candidates just had to sit on the edge of the stage with their legs hanging off into the gym area. I was seated right next to Trump.

I wasn't getting much screen time until Trump started attacking me (don't know for what). He turned to me and started poking and prodding me with his finger. I let it pass a couple of times (guess my nature is like Hayward and the wet willy), but then got fed up and said something like "Listen, Mr. Trump. I've had enough. If you touch me one more time I will push you off this stage and you will land on the gym floor." Trump apparently took my threat seriously, and didn't touch me again the rest of the debate.

Later, towards the end of the debate, the moderator asked me a question, but I didn't quite catch the topic. So I did what politicians always do and answered a different question instead. I said, "Well, before I answer that question, let me point out what just happened here earlier in the debate. I gave Mr. Trump a clear ultimatum. I drew a line in the sand, stated what my position was, and because Mr. Trump believed me, he took my statement seriously. This is exactly how I will run my foreign policy. I will state America's positions clearly, I will maintain 100% honesty with the other world leaders, and if they press me, I will indeed follow through with what I have promised the ramifications will be." I continued, "Likewise, I will maintain 100% honesty in my domestic affairs. I will strive to work with leaders of BOTH parties, and because they too will trust me to keep my word when I tell them how I feel and want I want to accomplish, they will be willing to work with me as well. Together we will find ways to make this country even better, ways that will benefit the ENTIRE country, not just those on one side or the other." That got an ovation from the audience.

I went on like that a bit more, and then time was up for the debate. (Good thing, too, because I never did find out what the question was that I was supposed to be answering.) When the polls came out, I was tied with Trump as winner of the debate, something like 30% each, and my threat to push Trump off the stage was universally seen as the highlight of the debate.

Pretty awesome dream. I don't usually have ones that are that vivid.

Moral of the story: apparently I'm fed up with most of the Republican field, and with honesty of politicians in general. And it seems very possible that starting to use a CPAP for sleep apnea can make you have weird dreams.
 
colton said:
There's a difference between lying and miscommunicating. I saw an interview with him yesterday where he talked about this, and his answer seemed plausible. He said that he had been told it was extremely likely that he could get a West Point appointment, which in the book got written as "he was offered a West Point appointment". I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.

I'm kind of with you on the idiot thing though. For a brain surgeon he certainly doesn't seem to have a lot going on upstairs sometimes. Maybe that's just a communication thing, too, hard to say.
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What about his lies about getting awards in a Yale class that didn't exist? WSJ published an article on it.
 
b_line said:
I get that, but scholarship at west point isn't a thing, it's just not. As a supposed genius doctor and a kid who had just finished rotc he is either dumbing it down or misrepresenting it. It doesn't really matter though, because he won't win. The guy is a bumbling mess. He really pulls off the whole idiot savant thing.
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There's a reason our best and brightest don't run for president. They look at this sort of thing and think, "No way am I putting myself and my family through that."

And I know you don't agree, but to me the media gauntlet appears to be many, many, many times more brutal if the candidate is conservative. No matter what you think of Carson, this particular issue should never have been a story. He used some wording that was apparently not exactly right, even though in context we can all figure out what really happened, and yet we are going to crucify him for it. How incredibly stupid!
 
^Meanwhile Hillary has been caught in a series of lies that resulted in the deaths of an ambassador and other Americans, yet the media is okay with it. Bizarre and sad.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
^Meanwhile Hillary has been caught in a series of lies that resulted in the deaths of an ambassador and other Americans, yet the media is okay with it. Bizarre and sad.
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Well we all know how many Americans died when Bush was running the show. I'd be fine with another democrat. Ideally Bernie.
 
b_line said:
I get that, but scholarship at west point isn't a thing, it's just not. As a supposed genius doctor and a kid who had just finished rotc he is either dumbing it down or misrepresenting it. It doesn't really matter though, because he won't win. The guy is a bumbling mess. He really pulls off the whole idiot savant thing.
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agian no matter how much you dig, you aint finding that bone
 
dalamon said:
Well we all know how many Americans died when Bush was running the show. I'd be fine with another democrat. Ideally Bernie.
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It's clear to me that you and I are at no risk whatsoever of coming to a political agreement. You want a completely different type of America than I do.
 
DutchJazzer said:
agian no matter how much you dig, you aint finding that bone
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You will continue to be an enigma to me. When I first started seeing your posts, all you could talk about was how much you liked weiners. Then you act like a dunce. Now you are basically playing a conservative blowhard. Are you just an alt, or is this actually you?
 
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