This same logic can be applied to gun owners. The peaceful gun owners are irrelevant. Gun owners are being called out because of all the violence.
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This same logic can be applied to gun owners. The peaceful gun owners are irrelevant. Gun owners are being called out because of all the violence.
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Cute. Last I checked, Christianity is unequivocally more violent.
You stick to your scholarly-shared Facebook posts. Let the big boys deal with facts, history, and sophisticated analysis.
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This and Archie's posts are just all kinds of baffling man. I need to start posting here less.
Honestly I see this as biased as Archies post. Both have historically lead to huge amounts of violence. To the point of being unable to say who is the ultimate "bad guy".
They can both inspire great good in the world. But both can be interpreted in ways to inspire great violence and evil.
Your second line made me LOL because you did the same thing Archie did with your first line.
Why did you link Joe and Archie's posts? Joe was disagreeing with Archie. Did you miss something or did I?
Joe Bagadonuts
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My post was pure sarcasm. I thought that was obvious, but apparently not.
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Joe was agreeing with you. He was saying that Christianity has been at fault for lots o violence
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This.
Archie Moses
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Um, you deny that Islam isn't violent? Do you read the news?
Archie Moses
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Yep. Christianity, Judaism, Mormonism and pretty much every religion have blood on their hands.
I'm not sure why it's so dumb and offensive to say that a religion that is the cause for so many deaths, especially in the middle east and Africa would make someone want to post here less and say that that claim can only be backed by facebook posts.
That's not what he said. Not even remotely.
Archie Moses
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True. His response was a strawman though.
Archie Moses
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https://mobile.wnd.com/2015/11/danish-researcher-islam-is-more-violent/
Although, I don't necessarily believe in the measurements used in these "non-facebook" studies, it's still interesting to read.
In all seriousness, is saying Islam is a violent religion really that ignorant and bizarre to say? I feel that it's politically incorrect to say and there are a lot of apologists who will argue it's not, but it just seems inaccurate to me. By no means to I think all members of Islam are violent or condone violence. I'm saying the religion, and teachings can be pretty violent and barbaric. I promise, dalamon, I'm not trying to be offensive (btw, I tried to pm you, but your inbox was full. Can you clear it up so I can send you my message)- I just feel like we need to have some serious discussions, as a world, on how to eliminate violent religious members.
Although, I don't necessarily believe in the measurements used in these "non-facebook" studies, it's still interesting to read.
In all seriousness, is saying Islam is a violent religion really that ignorant and bizarre to say? I feel that it's politically incorrect to say and there are a lot of apologists who will argue it's not, but it just seems inaccurate to me. By no means to I think all members of Islam are violent or condone violence. I'm saying the religion, and teachings can be pretty violent and barbaric. I promise, dalamon, I'm not trying to be offensive (btw, I tried to pm you, but your inbox was full. Can you clear it up so I can send you my message)- I just feel like we need to have some serious discussions, as a world, on how to eliminate violent religious members.
Archie Moses
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This is incorrect too. I thought this was a different thread. Christianity being violent and the wackos on the far-right is a relevant point made by Dalamon.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Did you forget to switch to your alt before making one of these two posts or are you just having an argument with yourself?
Archie Moses
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I was just calling myself out on something I messed up on. I'm not afraid to admit I'm wrong. Nothing wrong with that. I thought the posts were in a different thread.
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You're ignoring history books if you think the level of violence across both is equal. Sorry.
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I was agreeing!! Meant to refer to Jamezz's post. Sorry.
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Not what I said, sir.
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It's not that it's politically incorrect just cuz it's offensive-- it's incorrect because it is so, so void of nuance. It's so void of context. It's an argument used by simpletons who generalize, and want to generate reasons for such a complex geopolitical conflict in a sentence or less.
Religion is a tool that can have many uses, just like nationalism, or patriotism. In America, y'all cherish patriotism-- despite the fact that a devotion to nationality has caused THE most terrible war crimes in history. Is nationalism inherently violent? Well no-- it depends on its backdrop, and differs from scenario to scenario.
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It's the same with religion. All of the verses in the Koran clamouring for violence were contextual commands given to God by Mohammed when he was defending himself against the "nonbelievers" (which were the pagan Saudis who were sending armies after the prophet, trying to stop the Islamic movement).
Context is always so important-- in every faith discussion. Unfortunately, discussions surrounding Islam never seem to get this privilege. ISIS has committed most of their crimes against other Muslims, yet it seems so painted as a purely Islamic thing that most Muslims seem to resonate with.
Archie Moses
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I already acknowledge that that's not what you said.
I say Islam is violent. You reply passive aggressively and immediately attack what I said or translate it into something it's not while dissing on my intelligence.
Archie - Islam is violent.
Dalamon - *rolls eyes* Sigh... But Christians, but Christians (I never said they weren't violent) *insert diss to Archie's intelligence and information gathering then say let the big boys deal with history.
Archie thinks - that had nothing to do with what I just said and then asks, do you deny what I said isn't true?
Dalamon - your reading comprehension sucks!
Yep, I totally Archied that. Smh...