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#OscarsSoWhite - Thoughts?

jimmy eat jazz said:
If you're a Black actor, director, producer, etc. in Hollywood, I suspect that this issue takes on more relevance than for, say, someone like us? Perhaps even a more stressing issue?
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Perhaps but I have a hard time feeling their pain as they wipe their tears with $1,000 bills.

Also I still think this is a temper tantrum. And the solution of quotas isn't a solution. It's makeup on a pig.
 
Stoked said:
Perhaps but I have a hard time feeling their pain as they wipe their tears with $1,000 bills.

Also I still think this is a temper tantrum. And the solution of quotas isn't a solution. It's makeup on a pig.
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Making a lot of money does not make one immune to the normal human desires for recognition, respect, fair treatment, equity, etc.

I think I've been clear that I am not advocating quotas.
 
Kit Ramsey has been saying this for years.

[video=youtube_share;FvAUYC46VGw]https://youtu.be/FvAUYC46VGw

[video=youtube_share;Yrx2bv_LoG0]https://youtu.be/Yrx2bv_LoG0
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Making a lot of money does not make one immune to the normal human desires for recognition, respect, fair treatment, equity, etc.

I think I've been clear that I am not advocating quotas.
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Quotas was more general for the thread.

You'll have a hard time convincing anyone that Will Smith (among many other black actors and actresses) isn't respected and treated fairly in contrast with his peers.

Basically it has an element of "poor me" when they are on top of the world. At least to me.

So while I recognize injustice and systemic racism is a very real problem I don't feel bad for anyone on this specific issue.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Making a lot of money does not make one immune to the normal human desires for recognition, respect, fair treatment, equity, etc.

I think I've been clear that I am not advocating quotas.
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They receive their fair share of recognition and respect.
 
Stoked said:
Quotas was more general for the thread.

You'll have a hard time convincing anyone that Will Smith (among many other black actors and actresses) isn't respected and treated fairly in contrast with his peers.

Basically it has an element of "poor me" when they are on top of the world. At least to me.

So while I recognize injustice and systemic racism is a very real problem I don't feel bad for anyone on this specific issue.
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I think we're talking more about generalities here than specifics, right?
 
As someone said earlier in the thread, it's not the nominating that is in need of changes, rather the casting decisions and practices of Hollywood. I'm starting to see the boycott as perhaps a Segway to that exact subject. Instead of a whine fest that someone didn't get an award nomination.
 
Stoked said:
As much as you do.

There's a huge list of blacks that have won at the oscars.

Two things:

the oscars? Really. When all the better crap to focus on with regards to racism this is your fight? (Your = Pinkett, Smith, lee...)

Oscar board needs to be more representative of today's America (like everything IMO) but any action toward "quotas" is asinine and absurd.
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"Huge" is kind of an overstatement. Here's a list of all the black Oscar nominees for the last 87 years, including for music, editing... all that stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_Academy_Award_winners_and_nominees

Part of the issue, I think, is that it WAS looking more inclusive, more balanced. And then, for 2 years in a row, no black person in any film has been good enough to be nominated? Really? Even statistically, that's mind boggling.
 
gandalfe said:
"Huge" is kind of an overstatement. Here's a list of all the black Oscar nominees for the last 87 years, including for music, editing... all that stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_black_Academy_Award_winners_and_nominees

Part of the issue, I think, is that it WAS looking more inclusive, more balanced. And then, for 2 years in a row, no black person in any film has been good enough to be nominated? Really? Even statistically, that's mind boggling.
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Eh. They should be pushing for a more balanced and representative nominating body.

Is there any specific film or role that was clearly a snub?
 
Stoked said:
Eh. They should be pushing for a more balanced and representative nominating body.

Is there any specific film or role that was clearly a snub?
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I haven't seen many films this year, myself, but Idris Elba in Beasts of No Nation stands out to me. I mean, he ought to be nominated every year just for existing.
 
gandalfe said:
I haven't seen many films this year, myself, but Idris Elba in Beasts of No Nation stands out to me. I mean, he ought to be nominated every year just for existing.
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Lol. He is pretty badass. My thoughts on Fox and Washington as well lol.
 
Stoked said:
In some way or another it's everyone's fault this day in age.
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Thank goodness white people waited it out long enough for it to no longer be only they're fault.

Smart.

Snark aside. Nothing is going to change until white people, as a whole, learn to accept the fact that systematic racism will continue to exist until we acknowledge that white privilege exists, and start viewing racial issues in the country through that lens.

Many have been fighting this fact and it continues to slow progress. Just because you're white does not mean you're a racist. But white culture holds the lion share of responsibility for racial prejudice in the US, and until that is accepted nothing will change.


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Positive discrimination is exploited awfully in many areas and fame centered ones are leading it. So I don't like ideas like putting African American quotes for prizes and such. It alone tells that you don't see them as equal. I think Academy Awards are a joke in respect to not giving Al Pacino more than 1. What an unreal disrespect for a historical actor.
 
gandalfe said:
I haven't seen many films this year, myself, but Idris Elba in Beasts of No Nation stands out to me. I mean, he ought to be nominated every year just for existing.
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Never heard of that movie or that actor/actress
 
Why don't Asians, Mexicans, polynesians, etc bitch about racism more often?

Serious question
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Thank goodness white people waited it out long enough for it to no longer be only they're fault.

Smart.

Snark aside. Nothing is going to change until white people, as a whole, learn to accept the fact that systematic racism will continue to exist until we acknowledge that white privilege exists, and start viewing racial issues in the country through that lens.

Many have been fighting this fact and it continues to slow progress. Just because you're white does not mean you're a racist. But white culture holds the lion share of responsibility for racial prejudice in the US, and until that is accepted nothing will change.


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You can be snarky all you want, that's fine.

You are right that being white does not mean you are a racist. Just like being black doesn't make you a racist. But there are plenty among both races here in the U.S.

Does systemic racism exist? Yes

Do whites as a whole need to be more aware of this? Yes

Do whites need to do more in their personal lives to fix this? Yes

Do whites need to do more on a societal level to fix this? Yes

Do blacks need to do more on a personal level to fix this? Yes

Do blacks need to do more on a societal level to fix this? Yes

What I meant by spreading the blame is not an attmept to change history. It is there for all to see. The marches, Little Rock, segregation, plantations, civil war, incarceration rates and how they differ... list goes on and on.

But there are plenty of racists among all the races unfortunately. And they all spread their taint and disease. The fix to this will require massive changes among all categories/groups of people. Not just whites. Just because whites have had the power as the majority (and what that entails) does not mean that other races are not doing things that contribute to the problem. I'll even go so far as to say that historically white to bear a far larger burden than blacks. But in this day in age no one is "clean". We hve all ended up covered in ****. Even if we took different paths there.

On a side note BabyPeterzz...you have hit me in this discussion for mandating what blacks must and must not do. Fair enough. But it doesn't really work when you turn around and tell white people what they must and must not do.

The less that it is "white people this" and "black people that" and the more it is "we should this" and "we should that" the more progess we will make. Progress we need to make.

Just my .02
 
People keep saying the main problem is that there aren't enough good roles being cast to non-white races--and while that may be true--it's not the most crucial issue. It's not just that there needs to be more diversity in Hollywood; they need to expand the Academy Awards to more than just Hollywood (allow foreign films to be nominated). Cause, ya know, other countries (believe it or not) do exist, and they, too, make films.
 
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