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For those of you who don't like Jimmer...

gomretat said:
Reasons why we should say no to Fredette:
1) The thing he brings to the table is shooting and he is not in the top 100 NCAA players in 3 pt shooting percentage.
2) Tweeners typically only do well if they are tremendously athletic. He is not.
3) Questionable decision making and at times terrible shot selection
4) Turns the ball over too much
5) Has not shown the ability to play against length
6) Never call a grown man Jimmer

He is a great college player. So was Adam Morrison
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Jimmer IS in the top 100 in 3pt percentage.

Yes one my first posts is one where I correct someone for a small mistake! I feel I will fit in well here.
 
Beantown said:
Well Done? Is this a joke? White American players have a very tough competing in the NBA. Especially guards.
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Well, at least the Canadians, Italians, Germans, Russians, Argentines, Spaniards, Croatians and Turks get by. Throw in the occasional Greek.
It's true there aren't that many white 'American' guards having an impact in the league right now.
 
Tweener. Too small for a SG, not quick enough to defend the better PG's in the league. He'll be a career backup, which is not what you want from a lottery pick. I guess I'd be ok with getting Jimmer at #14 in a very weak draft. Jazz better get a starter with the NJ pick. There are some good SF's in the draft; let's hope Utah nabs one of them.
 
I can't believe people here are knocking his defense.

Who the hell plays defense in the NBA anyway? Furthermore, who the hell "locks down" opposing guards? Nearly every night has a SG or a PG going off for 30. Even the "greats" don't play a lack of defense. Nash, Duron, CP3, Rose, etc don't play any defense. If a PG is known for defense it's because he sucks at offense (ala Fisher). And even then, his defense still gives up a ton of points to opposing guards.

Take for example... The Utah Jazz. Earl Watson and Raja Bell, both known for their "defense" were just destroyed by the mighty Detroit Pistons tonight. Ben Gordan, Stuckey, and Andrew Bynum's little brother just went off. The night before, Collison had 16. The game before that? The Dallas trio destroyed us. The game before that, Ellis had 35. The game before that, Nash had 20 points and 14 assists. The game before that, Rose (enough said). Before that, Tyke and Bueno combined for 32. Game before that, Russel Westbrooke 33 points.

So everybody goes off. Whether you're a former MVP or some journeyman (like Bueno) you can go off for big numbers on any given night. With the no touch rules, PGs/SGs can score just about any time they want.

Give me somebody that can shoot the brains out of the basket and can make plays.

What's hilarious is how some of you believe that the NBA is that much better than the MWC this year. Seriously? Pretty sure that team that Jimmer has chewed up (twice) now, is loaded with NBA players. Yet, San Diego still can't find an answer for him.

I believe the Jazz have more pressing issues, like finding a LEGIT SG. But if realistically there aren't very attractive options out there, I say take Jimmer. He may leave some of you (mostly jealous and pissed off Ute fans) a bit surprised.

Lastly, I think he'd work perfect for the Jazz's offense. Yes, he could fit in well with a run and gun GS/Knick/Suns team. But him coming off screens or running the pick and roll would just devastate defenses.
 
Ah yes, white people can't play in the league.

What color is Memo and AK?

What color was that dude dunking on that Pacer black guy the other night? Pretty sure the crowd gave him a standing ovation.

Wasn't there a MVP guard a few years back for the Suns a kinda whitish color?

Was Stockton black?

Is Ronnie Price (who sucks) white?

You people are idiots if you're bringing race into his draft consideration.
 
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You can argue Jimmer's merits until you're blue in the face, but the fact remains he isn't what the Jazz need right now.

I think it's pretty fair to say that he may to play point guard in the NBA due to his size alone, and I don't think the Jazz are in need of a point guard right now.
 
alot of people are commenting they dont want him because he goes by jimmer...

there are alot of strange names in the nba today.


lamarcus
carmello
deshaun
shaquille
lebron
udonis


the list goes on and on....
why even pay attention to that?
 
gomretat said:
Keep trying. He was shooting .421 and #105 several weeks ago. Since then he has gone 9 for 26 and dropped down to .411. The top 100 ends at just above .43.

https://espn.go.com/mens-college-ba...3-points/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct/count/81
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I don't know if he's going to be a good NBA player or not, but knocking on his shooting by pointing out he's not in the top 100 in all of the nation is fairly ridiculous. I'd be willing to bet basically all of the guys on that list don't shoulder most the offensive load every night for their respective teams, and aren't hounded by double-teams night in and night out. It's obvious that Fredette's an amazing shooter and that's all there is to it. He's also shooting 3% points better than Stephen Curry did his last season at Davidson as well.
 
Jimmer lover here. I have to agree he really isn't what the Jazz need right now and taking him in the top 12 would make me nervous. The Jazz need a wing perimeter shooter (in the worst way) and Jimmer is a PG.

Sure he would be fine backing up Harris but again we are talking a lottery pick here.
 
Fredette looks like a special player. He's not a top-5 pick, but could realistically go anywhere after that. He's a nice complementary player for a team that's already got it's first and second option.

People knock his athleticism and defense, but in terms of athleticism/defense, I don't think he's really behind players like Nash, Curry, or even D.Will. Although, I think D.Will improved his athleticism when he got to the NBA.
 
JJ Rage said:
You can argue Jimmer's merits until you're blue in the face, but the fact remains he isn't what the Jazz need right now.

I think it's pretty fair to say that he may to play point guard in the NBA due to his size alone, and I don't think the Jazz are in need of a point guard right now.
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There's no guarantee that whatever else is out there whenever we draft is going to be any better either. I'd by far rather have us draft Jimmer than Mo Almond, CJ Miles, or Ronnie Brewer because they're SGs and we need a SG. If Jimmer's the best player available, take him.
 
Catchall said:
Fredette looks like a special player. He's not a top-5 pick, but could realistically go anywhere after that. He's a nice complementary player for a team that's already got it's first and second option.

People knock his athleticism and defense, but in terms of athleticism/defense, I don't think he's really behind players like Nash, Curry, or even D.Will. Although, I think D.Will improved his athleticism when he got to the NBA.
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Take away Dwill's jumpshot and he drops a lot. In Feb, when he had a bum wrist, his points dropped from 21 to 17, turnovers blew up to an absurd 4 per game, and shooting percentage dropped to .400.

Even if he was more athletic, he still wouldn't stand a chance in guarding guys like Rose, Westbrook, Parker, or Nash. Due to the NBA's rules, perimeter players have a huge advantage. It's impossible to "lock down" a PG/SG anymore.

Jimmer will have no problem scoring in the NBA. His shot, size, and Jeff Hornacek like ability to make awkward drives/shots will carry him through a long NBA career. Think of it this way, Steve Blake, is a 7 year vet who has started most of his NBA career. Steve Blake folks. And you people want to say that Jimmer can't play?
 
Just curious, let's assume the Jazz make the playoffs and finish above the top-16 teams and that the Nets' pick is between 6-10. Freddette's draft stock is still fluctuating, but at this point would Jazz fans advocate spending the NJ pick on Jimmer?
 
vslice02 said:
Just curious, let's assume the Jazz make the playoffs and finish above the top-16 teams and that the Nets' pick is between 6-10. Freddette's draft stock is still fluctuating, but at this point would Jazz fans advocate spending the NJ pick on Jimmer?
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It depends on what else is available. Jimmer shouldn't be the Jazz's #1... Or #2... Or probably top 5 targets. For the Jazz, he could be a valuable player coming off the bench. But what we truly need via free agency or the draft is a legit starting SG. However, if Jimmer's the BPA, take him based on what he brings to the table vs needs.

I'm thinking that this draft might suck compared to most. Kids aren't going to come out for the NBA draft if there's going to be a lockout. They're either going to Europe like Brandon Jennings did or stay in school. This year might be the perfect year for seniors like Jimmer to capitalize on the pending work stoppage.
 
I still think Jimmer is a risk, mostly due to his size.


Edit: Mind you, I'm saying as of right now, with the Jazz having the 6th pick. If we get that second pick at 14, then I'm actually on board with drafting Jimmer.

And if he's still available when we pick in the second round (which seems unlikely), I'd say he's absolutely worth the pick.
 
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