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Utah Legislature to Audit U of U Athletics, In Light of BYU Rivalry Suspension

Has the LDS church been mainly silent in legislation in the past? All I know of is the California Legislation 8 push, or whatever that one was.

The rest of the control, IMO, seems to come from lay doctrine believing voters using the democratic system to vote into office. As our system is meant to be.
I didn't mean that the church never issued political statements. They have, and do, on issues that they see as having a moral component...most recently as someone pointed out earlier in the thread about immigration and marijuana legalization. But to put pressure on Utah's sports department? I doubt it.

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I didn't mean that the church never issued political statements. They have, and do, on issues that they see as having a moral component...most recently as someone pointed out earlier in the thread about immigration and marijuana legalization. But to put pressure on Utah's sports department? I doubt it.

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I wasn't questioning you, C. Just a genuine question and commentary on what I have no clue about.
 
https://www.sltrib.com/news/3556532-155/rolly-lds-churchs-thumbs-down-on

In the mid-1980s, the Legislature was weighing a bill that would exempt hired limousine drivers and the so-called "fun buses" taking revelers to Wendover from the open-carry law that barred having an opened alcoholic beverage inside a moving vehicle.The legislation had the support of the state economic-development office, the tourism office, the governor and law enforcement. The idea was that it would help limo and tourism businesses boost Utah's image among out-of-state travelers and, more important, keep alcohol out of the hands of drivers by putting the drinkers in the passenger seats.
The bill breezed through the House. But it stayed in the Senate Rules Committee until the session's last day.
When it finally came up on the board for a possible vote, one senator asked to have the bill circled — delaying any action — while he researched the policy in surrounding states.
And that was the end of the bill. It died without a vote when the clock struck midnight.
It turned out that two lobbyists for the LDS Church, which had never taken a public position on the measure, called two senators in the session's waning hours: the senator who moved to circle the bill and the Senate president who would not recognize any senator trying to uncircle it.
Those were the only two senators contacted by the church, and it was done secretly. The proposal vanished; the church's fingerprints were wiped clean.
So the church's public statements that can kill bills may be seen, in some way, as progress.
prolly@sltrib.com
 
"Legislature will audit University of Utah athletics in wake of BYU rivalry suspension"

The title makes it sound like this is because of the rivalry suspension. Then, if you read the article, you find it has nothing to do with that. At least there is nothing in the article pointing to it having anything to do with the byu/utah rivalry

Just a red herring by someone at the SL Trib to get more responses
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From the article
The U.'s decision to upend a century of tradition illuminates a series "of decisions over time that make you wonder. It's a cumulative effect," said the Draper Republican, an alumnus and fan of the Provo private school.

Others were more pointed.

"The exclamation point needs to be, 'If you ever, athletic department, feel like you have taken over [the rest of the school]," Rep. Dan McCay warned the U. in a Feb. 4 higher education budget meeting, "we'll get rid of you.' "

"I'd hate for athletic programs to be a distraction like they have been this last year," the Riverton Republican told U. President David Pershing, "especially most recently over some of the antics of your athletic director, as well as your basketball coach."

I srsly ****in hate our legislators.
 
I'm only stating the obvious, and I've seen it first hand. In fact, this very subject was discussed in front of me by lawmakers. If you don't think the LDS Church has power over the legislature you're incorrect. Period.

If 51% of the legislature were Jewish... If 51% of the legislature were Buddhist Monks... If 51% of the legislature were gay... What it sounds like to me is that you simply hate democracy. Seems pretty chicken **** to piss, moan, belittle, and complain about people that YOU (the Royal You) voted for, doesn't it? "F YOU AMERICA!" -- BabyWeinerzz

This is absolutely an example of the LDS church exercising their influence over the legislature,

Except it's not.

just as they did with the medical marijuana bill (HB73) and the anti-discrimination bill.

I can get on board with you here though.

But on this subject, the U athletic department is being taught a lesson. It has nothing to do with the legitimacy of an audit, the audit is being used as a means of retaliation plain and simple.

Well, either it is or it isn't, and the only facts, so to speak, (things being reported and quoted) seem to think you're dead wrong. I'm sure there was someone on the Grassy Knoll over yonder, and The Towers were brought down by Aliens from Orion's Belt, but so sorry Charrie, there's no conspiracy here.

Maybe there needs to be an audit at BYU

That whole private versus public thing, you know, it's a lot like "facts" -- they tend to get in the way.

to figure out why their sports programs are so prone to criminal violence during games.

Ooooh, you were making a funny. My bad. #kneeslapper

What is it about Mormon culture and that institutions sports programs that leads it's players to act like undisciplined thugs?

Ward Ball, clearly.

I guess if you draw a narrow enough definition of what "the LDS church" is then you can make the claim that they might not be directly influencing this.

Narrow enough? The definition is about a mile wide, you ding dong. There's not one shred of evidence, outside of the usual tools spouting their usual garbage, that says the LDS church had one single shred of a hand in the decision to audit the U.

Whatever is behind this audit, I think most could agree that it is the result of a dynamic that's unique to the state of Utah.

Auditing publicly funded schools is unique to Utah? Wow, who would've thought...?

No one is forcing the utes to play byu next year and have their players subjected to a barrage of haymakers from byu players. Dont worry, the ute players and coaches will still be safe next year.

Sounds like what is happening is that an organization that makes tons of money from taxpayers is getting audited. Strange stuff indeed.

Just saying...

In the mid-1980s, the Legislature was weighing a bill that would exempt hired limousine drivers and the so-called "fun buses" taking revelers to Wendover from the open-carry law that barred having an opened alcoholic beverage inside a moving vehicle.The legislation had the support of the state economic-development office, the tourism office, the governor and law enforcement. The idea was that it would help limo and tourism businesses boost Utah's image among out-of-state travelers and, more important, keep alcohol out of the hands of drivers by putting the drinkers in the passenger seats.
The bill breezed through the House. But it stayed in the Senate Rules Committee until the session's last day.
When it finally came up on the board for a possible vote, one senator asked to have the bill circled — delaying any action — while he researched the policy in surrounding states.
And that was the end of the bill. It died without a vote when the clock struck midnight.
It turned out that two lobbyists for the LDS Church, which had never taken a public position on the measure, called two senators in the session's waning hours: the senator who moved to circle the bill and the Senate president who would not recognize any senator trying to uncircle it.
Those were the only two senators contacted by the church, and it was done secretly. The proposal vanished; the church's fingerprints were wiped clean.
So the church's public statements that can kill bills may be seen, in some way, as progress.
prolly@sltrib.com

Nice. You had to go back 30+ years to find even an inkling of support for your absurd allegations; Uncle Rico indeed.
 
Maybe BYU and THE church needs to audit the criminal violence their players are participating in during sporting events representing the school.

Sorry I didn't say that clearly enough.
 
The audit is retaliatory. It's plain as day. I'm not going to waste time arguing about it.
 
Maybe BYU and THE church needs to audit the criminal violence their players are participating in during sporting events representing the school.

Sorry I didn't say that clearly enough.
I would bet that they are.
I don't think byu is proud of the dirty things that have happened recently.

I would bet my life on the fact that they have had many discussions and have plans in place to try to correct the bad behavior exhibited recently

In fact, since the jackson emery incident byu has been squeaky clean and they have a whole new coaching staff in place too
 
The audit is retaliatory. It's plain as day. I'm not going to waste time arguing about it.

Because it would be akin to arguing that chemtrails are true and the Boston Marathon bombing was a hoax. I don't blame you, bro.
 
There is nothing funnier than watching BYU trying to prove they aren't weird. lol.

This is what Ted Miller from ESPN says about the situation:

We can take a basketball question, right, one that tangentially involves football? Ruling? OK.

This, of course, is complete political grandstanding and a waste of time, which is what politicians do when they don't have the will or courage to focus on things that actually matter. It's also interesting that there doesn't seem to be much mea culpa from BYU folks over the egregious behavior that got Krystkowiak so twisted: BYU's Nick Emery punched Utah's Brandon Taylor during a game and then followed his cheap shot with taunts -- before and after a time out.

There are no "Yeah, but..." retorts available. Google the video.

And the Cherry on top:

I would suggest Utah fans show some compassion for BYU fans. It's a tough time for them.

My Utah brethren and sisters with attitude, remember this:

BYU fan's house of cards is falling down around them. They are beginning to realize that no one really cares about them and how badly they need Utah. If they didn't need Utah, none of this would be happening. Utah is BY FAR the best opponent BYU has played this year in basketball. BYU is Utah's 17th best opponent.

They are fading away, and they don't like it. I'd take Ted Miller's advice:

Just smile and nod at them. They will go away, but it will be kicking and screaming. Let them whine, smile and nod, then move on.

Heck, look at your kids. Then look at your parents. Ask your parents about Utah's heated rivalry with Utah State. Then realize that your kids will feel about BYU/Utah rivalry the same way you feel about the Utah/Utah State rivalry...

You won't, and BYU will be some little team that no one cares about.
 
Does anyone else see the irony involved with writing a lengthy post about how no one cares about BYU?

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Many U fans are enjoying the demise of BYU.

They just had their best recruiting class in football that they have had in forever. They have been winning at about the same rate as always. Their football schedule just gets better and better. They have two star qb's on their football team. Continually get into bowl game after bowl game (not that that is difficult). Their basketball team has won 20 games per season for like the last hundred years and they did again this year. They have been in the ncaa tournament almost every year for the last million years. They have a triple double machine currently on the team. They get most of their best bball players back from missions next year. They currently get tons of attention for their qb's and their new coaching staff. Ute fans read and comment on byu news articles more than they do on ute articles.

Quite the demise i must say.
 
Does anyone else see the irony involved with writing a lengthy post about how no one cares about BYU?

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Was that a lengthy post? Took me under two minutes to write. Huh. Interesting. I'd think someone who is educated could pound out a couple paragraphs in a couple mins...
 
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