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Caitlyn Jenner

For the record I know 4-5 trans people and about 20 LGB people who were all moved by Jenner's speech and actions-- not to mention a large group of friends who are very active in LGBTQ+ groups who all find Jenner's courage genuine and impressive, and very deserving of this award.

If your sister thinks it's disingenuous, she's in the minority-- I encourage you to find one legitimate LGBTQ+ group in North America who hasn't responded to Jenner's transformation and nomination positively.
 
dalamon said:
It's hard to take your professed care for the transgender community seriously when you constantly refer to Caitlyn as "him"-- just a pro-tip. That's basically step 1 of allying yourself with the trans community. Regardless of the reasons of why you think Jenner did it, referring to her as 'him' is basically the most disrespectful thing you could do not only to her identity, but to the identity of the group as a whole
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His point still stands in regard to the reason the award was given to caitlyn (publicity stunt) and the fact that there were likely others much more deserving
 
I'm a huge fan of Dala blatantly ignoring that Jenner's reps basically said that they could get an interview if they got an award. I mean, that probably doesn't matter at all.
 
dalamon said:
For the record I know 4-5 trans people and about 20 LGB people who were all moved by Jenner's speech and actions-- not to mention a large group of friends who are very active in LGBTQ+ groups who all find Jenner's courage genuine and impressive, and very deserving of this award.

If your sister thinks it's disingenuous, she's in the minority-- I encourage you to find one legitimate LGBTQ+ group in North America who hasn't responded to Jenner's transformation and nomination positively.
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These are great points, and I think it's wonderful that Jenner received so much support. Guilty as charged for my misuse of him/his vs. her-- allow me a misstep on an internet forum, will you? I'm a family man with children and a career, and while I have close experience to a person's transgender transformation, I don't enjoy the same level of LGBTQ+ social affiliation that you do. I do my imperfect best...

Look, I'm not debating that the transgender community celebrates a high-profile figure's transgender journey-- the fact that it has been documented thoroughly, and received in a generally positive manner, is mostly a good thing. My sister celebrates that aspect of the story herself, and as I've stated several times, I personally think that's awesome. But anyone who understands the history and meaning of this award, and the circumstances surrounding Jenner's nomination/receipt (Howard mentioned this), has to admit that the intentions are dubious. I know you disagree, and I am fine with that.
 
dalamon said:
For the record I know 4-5 trans people and about 20 LGB people who were all moved by Jenner's speech and actions-- not to mention a large group of friends who are very active in LGBTQ+ groups who all find Jenner's courage genuine and impressive, and very deserving of this award.

If your sister thinks it's disingenuous, she's in the minority-- I encourage you to find one legitimate LGBTQ+ group in North America who hasn't responded to Jenner's transformation and nomination positively.
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Is there a much larger percentage of gay Canadians? I thought I knew a lot of gay folks with, if I count acquaintainces, about a dozen people with about 8 of them being couples that I know. None of my other circle of acquaintances know generally any more than maybe 3 or 4 such folks. Considering they make up about 2-3% of the population odds are pretty slim, unless one is strongly "in" that portion of the community, of someone having upwards of 20 such folks in their circle of friends, especially well enough to poll them as to their reaction to the whole Jenner thing. Of the dozen or so folks I know, I think I have heard, through conversation or even facebook or what have you, maybe 5 of them comment on the Jenner situation at all. For the record, those 5 range from he is attention whoring (like 3 of them) to total ambivalence.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Is there a much larger percentage of gay Canadians? I thought I knew a lot of gay folks with, if I count acquaintainces, about a dozen people with about 8 of them being couples that I know. None of my other circle of acquaintances know generally any more than maybe 3 or 4 such folks. Considering they make up about 2-3% of the population odds are pretty slim, unless one is strongly "in" that portion of the community, of someone having upwards of 20 such folks in their circle of friends, especially well enough to poll them as to their reaction to the whole Jenner thing. Of the dozen or so folks I know, I think I have heard, through conversation or even facebook or what have you, maybe 5 of them comment on the Jenner situation at all. For the record, those 5 range from he is attention whoring (like 3 of them) to total ambivalence.
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Keep in mind that I just finished my senior year of college in the 21st century in Canada, and was very involved with the Students Union & student newspaper here-- which essentially expanded my social circle across all sorts of communities on a campus of 40 000 students. Not hard to comprehend why I know more LGBTQ+ ppl than you do.

In terms of percentages, I'm sure its either essentially equal, or slightly larger due to gender fluidity being less stigmatic nationwide than the States.
 
olden_undercover said:
These are great points, and I think it's wonderful that Jenner received so much support. Guilty as charged for my misuse of him/his vs. her-- allow me a misstep on an internet forum, will you? I'm a family man with children and a career, and while I have close experience to a person's transgender transformation, I don't enjoy the same level of LGBTQ+ social affiliation that you do. I do my imperfect best...
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I will-- it's just kind of surprising, because it's one of those things that I assume most folks knew.

Look, I'm not debating that the transgender community celebrates a high-profile figure's transgender journey-- the fact that it has been documented thoroughly, and received in a generally positive manner, is mostly a good thing. My sister celebrates that aspect of the story herself, and as I've stated several times, I personally think that's awesome. But anyone who understands the history and meaning of this award, and the circumstances surrounding Jenner's nomination/receipt (Howard mentioned this), has to admit that the intentions are dubious. I know you disagree, and I am fine with that.
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Fair!



In response to Howard, those claims have been vociferously denied by several camps.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians
A small organization organized for the express purpose of saying things like this has said something like this. Shocker!
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Thanks. I just figured it was the other organization (AAP) - one that was founded in the 1930's and had 60,000 members.

It was founded in opposition to the AAP's support for adoption rights for homosexual couples.
Founded2002
FoundersGerry Boccarossa and Joseph Zanga
FocusFormed in opposition to the American Academy of Pediatrics
 
moevillini said:
Thanks. I just figured it was the other organization (AAP) - one that was founded in the 1930's and had 60,000 members.

It was founded in opposition to the AAP's support for adoption rights for homosexual couples.
Founded2002
FoundersGerry Boccarossa and Joseph Zanga
FocusFormed in opposition to the American Academy of Pediatrics
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Me too. Bad mistake on my part.
 
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