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King Cy said:
I can find a lot of other video showing how bad Valentine is at driving. He had one of the worst 2pt% in college basketball among the top 80 prospects in the draft, gets to the FT line at one of the lowest rates, and can't finish at the rim. His future in the NBA seems to be delegated to being a good 3pt shooter who can make the right pass. It's not like he has Hood's ability to create midrange looks and convert at a high rate.

Denzel Valentine is going to be like Joe Ingles IMO.
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That's a better comp but he will be able to do everything Ingles does but better... Better shooter, better passer, and much better rebounder. When Joe shoots 40% from three we are really good and he is valuable. If we got that out of the 12th pick I'm happy. I think he has a little mor potential than that but that's kind of his floor.
 
King Cy said:
I can find a lot of other video showing how bad Valentine is at driving. He had one of the worst 2pt% in college basketball among the top 80 prospects in the draft, gets to the FT line at one of the lowest rates, and can't finish at the rim. His future in the NBA seems to be delegated to being a good 3pt shooter who can make the right pass. It's not like he has Hood's ability to create midrange looks and convert at a high rate.

Denzel Valentine is going to be like Joe Ingles IMO.
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Denzel Valentine reminds me of Royce White.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
That's a better comp but he will be able to do everything Ingles does but better... Better shooter, better passer, and much better rebounder. When Joe shoots 40% from three we are really good and he is valuable. If we got that out of the 12th pick I'm happy. I think he has a little mor potential than that but that's kind of his floor.
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Yeah, but the transition from high usage star to 4-8 shot per game role player is a difficult transition and not one a lot of players can do.
 
King Cy said:
His usage rate is so high stats come to him no matter what. Even in his no-show game vs Middle Tennessee in the NCAA Tourney he almost had a triple double.
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Do you know what players have the highest usage rates? Guys who are good at basketball that's who. His 2 pt percentage was 48%. Athletic players like your boy Baldwin are worse so....

Doesn't get to the free throw line is a legitimate concern. Neither does Rodney... His ability to make threes and attack close outs may be more valuable in the NBA than creating mid range twos.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Do you know what players have the highest usage rates? Guys who are good at basketball that's who. His 2 pt percentage was 48%. Athletic players like your boy Baldwin are worse so....

Doesn't get to the free throw line is a legitimate concern. Neither does Rodney... His ability to make threes and attack close outs may be more valuable in the NBA than creating mid range twos.
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Baldwin actually gets to the FT line at nearly twice the rate though despite averaging less minutes and shot attempts
 
King Cy said:
Baldwin actually gets to the FT line at nearly twice the rate though despite averaging less minutes and shot attempts
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That's great but he doesn't shoot the three as much or as well doesn't rebound or get as many assists and is equal in turnovers despite not having as high of a usage rate. Baldwin is a fine prospect but has flaws too.

I think Valentine is such a good shooter and is a good enough passer that he will be more efficient with the fewer possessions he uses. The fact that he rebounds so we'll shows me he understands how to use his average size and athleticism to get above average production. He won't have to take the bad floaters and nba courts have better balance. He won't be a bust.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
That's great but he doesn't shoot the three as much or as well doesn't rebound or get as many assists and is equal in turnovers despite not having as high of a usage rate. Baldwin is a fine prospect but has flaws too.

I think Valentine is such a good shooter and is a good enough passer that he will be more efficient with the fewer possessions he uses. The fact that he rebounds so we'll shows me he understands how to use his average size and athleticism to get above average production. He won't have to take the bad floaters and nba courts have better balance. He won't be a bust.
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He is also 2.5 years younger, potentially an elite defender for his position (and possibly the 2-guard as well), his shooting is much farther along than Valentine's was at his age, and his playmaking will translate better to the NBA than Valentine's will.
 
And Valentine's rebounding numbers are probably inflated due to the fact that they actively hid him on defense, allowing him to attack the glass more often than a player like Baldwin who is playing pressure man defense.
 
King Cy said:
And Valentine's rebounding numbers are probably inflated due to the fact that they actively hid him on defense, allowing him to attack the glass more often than a player like Baldwin who is playing pressure man defense.
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Every stat Valentine gets is a result of situation I guess (according to Cy). ****ing Izzo prolly put the ball in the basket for him on all those threes he shot.

He's been around 8 or 9 rebs. per 40 his whole college career. I doubt they were hiding him so actively when he was a freshman.
 
King Cy said:
He is also 2.5 years younger, potentially an elite defender for his position (and possibly the 2-guard as well), his shooting is much farther along than Valentine's was at his age, and his playmaking will translate better to the NBA than Valentine's will.
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He's a fine prospect, but he has flaws. I just wanted to point those out and used him as the example because you've stated your opinion of him before.

He struggles with some of the same problems Valentine has with getting separation and making 2 point shots. He has the tools to be a good defender, but that will likely depend on attitude and drive.

It's just funny how Valentine is viewed to me.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He's a fine prospect, but he has flaws. I just wanted to point those out and used him as the example because you've stated your opinion of him before.

He struggles with some of the same problems Valentine has with getting separation and making 2 point shots. He has the tools to be a good defender, but that will likely depend on attitude and drive.

It's just funny how Valentine is viewed to me.
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It'd be much different if we were talking about him as a 20th pick or later.
 
Layman?lmao He wont be on an opening day roster

I feel the same way about Valentine as I do Draymond. I knew Green would be good, didn't think this good but I knew with hisiq and the way he was coached in FOUR years of college that he would be ready. Valentine is ready and has the IQ, He is a coaches son and he has lived in his hometown his whole life. he is eating moms food at moment. Bet you his bodies chancges when he moves and gets on a nba diet.
 
Also hat eon Valentine while loving Jamal Murray make sme laugh. Murray isn't an athlete that is going dunk on nba players. He is a couple cupcakes away from being over weight.
 
Looking at our early 2nd round pick, 42, seems to be within striking distance of Thon Maker. We could trade Withey and another 2nd to move up 10 spots and possibly snag him.
Obviously if Maker kills it in workouts and the combine, he would be out of range. DX just updated their mock and only moved him up 1 spot to 39.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Looking at our early 2nd round pick, 42, seems to be within striking distance of Thon Maker. We could trade Withey and another 2nd to move up 10 spots and possibly snag him.
Obviously if Maker kills it in workouts and the combine, he would be out of range. DX just updated their mock and only moved him up 1 spot to 39.
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Maker wont last that long and only trade partner is someone who would be looking to dump Whitey. Amazes me that some think this dude has trade value.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Looking at our early 2nd round pick, 42, seems to be within striking distance of Thon Maker. We could trade Withey and another 2nd to move up 10 spots and possibly snag him.
Obviously if Maker kills it in workouts and the combine, he would be out of range. DX just updated their mock and only moved him up 1 spot to 39.
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Thon is underrated on DX. I guarantee he goes in the 1st round--very little chance he falls passed 20.

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