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#bern said:
He's not a leading player. He's also a young PG, PG's take time.

And honestly, who cares? The best player in the draft couldn't get his team to the tournament. It's a crappy draft. It's a team sport. Vandy isn't as talented as you think they are. I could go on and on, but I'll keep it short, your point is stupid and means practically nothing.
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He was Vandys leading player and is the third best in the draft according to you. I think that is worthy of being held to a standard.

Candy had 3 NBA players on their roster, LSU had two at best.

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King Cy said:
He was Vandys leading player and is the third best in the draft according to you. I think that is worthy of being held to a standard.

Candy had 3 NBA players on their roster, LSU had two at best.

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Who? Damien Jones...an NBA prospect because of his size, not his skill, and Kornet, who's a fringe prospect and fits the pro game better than the college game?

Look, some guys can take a leading role and do well. Some guys can't, at least not yet. Yeah, Baldwin struggled to lead Vandy, but he won't have that role here. There's not many guys with his combination of offensive skills, length, and defensive ability. He's still only 20. Dude can ball. Forget the stupid narratives and just watch him play.

Y'all put way too much emphasis on how a team does to evaluate a player. It's a minor part, there's so much that goes into a team doing well. Luck, chemistry, coaching (coaches ruin college bball).
 
#bern said:
Who? Damien Jones...an NBA prospect because of his size, not his skill, and Kornet, who's a fringe prospect and fits the pro game better than the college game?

Look, some guys can take a leading role and do well. Some guys can't, at least not yet. Yeah, Baldwin struggled to lead Vandy, but he won't have that role here. There's not many guys with his combination of offensive skills, length, and defensive ability. He's still only 20. Dude can ball. Forget the stupid narratives and just watch him play.

Y'all put way too much emphasis on how a team does to evaluate a player. It's a minor part, there's so much that goes into a team doing well. Luck, chemistry, coaching (coaches ruin college bball).
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Lmao

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stitches said:
What's the most you would give Boston for the #3 pick?
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Thats a good question and i wish free agency was before the draft like the nfl. Since it is not i want to say hayward but i think the jazz would be better with him. It is tough because if DL thinks he will leave next summer then pull the trigger.
 
Crocodile Dante said:
Thats a good question and i wish free agency was before the draft like the nfl. Since it is not i want to say hayward but i think the jazz would be better with him. It is tough because if DL thinks he will leave next summer then pull the trigger.
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To me the #3 is so much less valuable than 1 and 2 in this draft that I probably wouldn't give any real asset we have that could make the Celtics even consider. Definitely not Hayward.
 
Crocodile Dante said:
Thats a good question and i wish free agency was before the draft like the nfl. Since it is not i want to say hayward but i think the jazz would be better with him. It is tough because if DL thinks he will leave next summer then pull the trigger.
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I would maybe try to get more pieces involved.
Hayward and #12 (and trey burke) for isiah thomas and #3. Or something.
Thomas makes about 6 million per year this coming season and next season. Vs hayward makes about 17 million (iirc) this coming season and 25ish million next season.

Then you make up haywards production with a combo of thomas, and the #3 draft pick (Plus Burks and exum both being back and healthy and able to play the wing position).

Plus you could still go after a guy like bazemore. A guy like bazemore might be more enticed to come to jazz seeing the vacancy left by Hayward and knowing playing time is available.

Now the rotation looks like:
Thomas, exum, mack
Hood, burks, exum
Bazemore, hood/burks/ingles
Favors, lyles/booker
Gobert, favors/withey
 
IT is a good player, but bad fit with our team, because of the switching defensive philosophy Quin wants to institute.
 
fishonjazz said:
I would maybe try to get more pieces involved.
Hayward and #12 (and trey burke) for isiah thomas and #3. Or something.
Thomas makes about 6 million per year this coming season and next season. Vs hayward makes about 17 million (iirc) this coming season and 25ish million next season.

Then you make up haywards production with a combo of thomas, and the #3 draft pick (Plus Burks and exum both being back and healthy and able to play the wing position).

Plus you could still go after a guy like bazemore. A guy like bazemore might be more enticed to come to jazz seeing the vacancy left by Hayward and knowing playing time is available.

Now the rotation looks like:
Thomas, exum, mack
Hood, burks, exum
Bazemore, hood/burks/ingles
Favors, lyles/booker
Gobert, favors/withey
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So our team is markedly worse?
 
King Cy said:
So our team is markedly worse?
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I guess you think so

I think thomas, #3 pick and bazemore > hayward and 12 and burke

That's just my opinion.
I think we would be better
 
stitches said:
IT is a good player, but bad fit with our team, because of the switching defensive philosophy Quin wants to institute.
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Again. It doesn't have to be thomas. And it doesn't have to be Boston.

I saw someone ask why anyone would want to trade Hayward.
I answered that some people think that trading Hayward for good pieces is better than losing him for nothing and also better than paying him the max.
 
#bern said:
Who? Damien Jones...an NBA prospect because of his size, not his skill, and Kornet, who's a fringe prospect and fits the pro game better than the college game?

Look, some guys can take a leading role and do well. Some guys can't, at least not yet. Yeah, Baldwin struggled to lead Vandy, but he won't have that role here. There's not many guys with his combination of offensive skills, length, and defensive ability. He's still only 20. Dude can ball. Forget the stupid narratives and just watch him play.

Y'all put way too much emphasis on how a team does to evaluate a player. It's a minor part, there's so much that goes into a team doing well. Luck, chemistry, coaching (coaches ruin college bball).
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Kornet is more than fringe prospect and Jones is a very good player (he is at least Ed Davis). That's two huge athletic big who have NBA skill and athleticism. Not to mention the 3 wing players who play next to Baldwin are all great 3t shooters.

If you are projecting a guy to be the 3rd best player in a draft, he should be able to lead that much talent to a better record. It's different when you are talking about someone like Paul George, who was on a Fresno State team without a supporting cast. I like him too, but that prediction is ridiculous and when made, subjects the player to greater scrutiny.
 
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