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Joe Bagadonuts said:
First of all, you are now the second person to make the argument that seeing genitals is the issue, and the other person was also on your same side of the argument. You probably do this because it is so much easier to mock the oppositions argument when you adjust it to fit your own needs. The actual issues have been stated repeatedly if you want to read the thread and address them instead.

Regarding the portion of your post directed at me, statistically 0.03% of the population is transgender. So over that fraction of a fraction of a percent we're going to rewrite the rules? There is a much larger percentage of the population over 300 lbs and they have a ton of challenges to deal with, many of which are created by people who are smaller in size and apparently don't care about the needs of the large. Are the the morbidly obese simply too large of a minority for us to be concerned with? Or are you really willing to apply your same minority logic to any minority that anybody can dream up, no matter how small?

The bathroom norms that were previously in place were working perfectly fine. There might have been a few people in the country who felt inconvenienced because they chose a lifestyle that made their bathroom choice a little bit more difficult, but even among the transgendered I'll bet the vast majority figured out a solution that worked for them and nobody else really cared. But apparently someone was in need of a ****storm so they decided they needed to make an issue of this. I wonder who will ultimately benefit.
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And this started with HB2, which is the far right creating the storm. They didn't like Charlotte's protection of trangendered folk, which if I recall, didn't have anything to do with bathrooms. It was HB2, the North Carolina's state legislature's bill, that brought up bathrooms.

Also, "chose a lifestyle" is way too charged a phrase to take anything else of your post seriously.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
And this started with HB2, which is the far right creating the storm. They didn't like Charlotte's protection of trangendered folk, which if I recall, didn't have anything to do with bathrooms. It was HB2, the North Carolina's state legislature's bill, that brought up bathrooms.

Also, "chose a lifestyle" is way too charged a phrase to take anything else of your post seriously.
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We all choose our lifestyle. That is not a charged phrase. And the Obama administration directives preceded HB2. It was in response.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
We all choose our lifestyle. That is not a charged phrase. And the Obama administration directives preceded HB2. It was in response.
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Better check your dates there.

While I certainly am no expert on this subject, I do know that I did not choose my gender or my sexual orientation.


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Darkwing Duck said:
And this started with HB2, which is the far right creating the storm. They didn't like Charlotte's protection of trangendered folk, which if I recall, didn't have anything to do with bathrooms. It was HB2, the North Carolina's state legislature's bill, that brought up bathrooms.

Also, "chose a lifestyle" is way too charged a phrase to take anything else of your post seriously.
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HB2 is not where it started. HB2 was in reaction to many things, including this:
https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/qa-201404-title-ix.pdf

I posted another example earlier in this thread where the ACLU sued a school district on behalf of a transgender student for the right to shower with the girls. Having a private stall was considered discriminatory because none of the other girls were required to shower in a private stall. The Obama Administration made the decision to push transgender issues. I'll bet they were hoping for a reaction similar to the one they ultimately got.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
https://www.metroweekly.com/2015/10/joseph-lobdell-tragedy-and-triumph/

The current firestorm goes directly to HB2. There have been isolated transgender issues going back to the 1800s, as that link shows. The current news cycle owes to the NC state legislature going into SPECIAL session with the SOLE intention of a forced repeal of, at the time, a non-newsworthy ordinance a metro city passed.
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Not according to this left leaning website:
https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/05/timeline-bathroom-wars
"Who started this fight?" Yes, that's a crude way of putting it. But if we contain ourselves to the last decade or so, the answer is: liberals. Before then, the status quo was simple: men used one bathroom and women used another. It was liberals who started pressing for change, and the conservative protest was a response to that.
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Ultimately we probably won't agree on how this started, but I think it's abundantly clear that liberals are the ones who want to change the status quo on this issue.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
You're talking about the difference between making accommodations for a portion of the population who cannot participate in society without those accommodations, and making accommodations for a group who can function completely fine as is. Besides this, I heard the current government mandate read on the radio yesterday. It specifically said that transgendered people should not have to use their own special facilities. If that is really their position then your solution wouldn't work anyway. (BTW, if that really is their position I think it's pretty clear that this whole issue is more about creating a problem than solving one.)
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Joe Bagadonuts said:
And the percent of the population does matter. Do you seriously believe that every facility in America needs to be built to accommodate every single person, no matter how small a percent of the population they represent? If so we are going to be spending a hell of a lot to accommodate 700 pounders in public restrooms, through doorways, on airplanes, etc. But seriously, haven't these extra large people already suffered enough? It's the least we could do to remodel the world for them. Anyone who doesn't agree with me is obviously a bigot.
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Joe Bagadonuts said:
Whatever. I felt like I responded to all of your posts that were directed toward me but maybe I didn't adequately address some topic along the way. As to ratcheting up the animosity, I believe that the animosity around this issue has been created by the left. Why are they turning this into an issue? The answers might be found in this article:

https://www.wnd.com/2016/05/obamas-gender-identity-rules-go-beyond-bathrooms-showers/
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I had the multiquote thing going on because I was going to reply to all of your opinions, but the further through the thread I got, your responses got dumber by the sentence. I mean, that's perfect fodder and low hanging fruit for a guy like me who thrives on making stupid people look even more stupid than originally thought, but you beat me to the punch and added the ultimate, "I'm an absolute ****ing retard who can't think for myself" insult to yourself by actually citing a WND.com article to backup you flawed, idiotic, unbelievably ****-brained ideas. I have always known you were a little slow, probably have a few extra chromosomes rattling around in there, and were likely ravaged by your uncle's best friend's horse, but really, you've hit rock bottom. Please call Vinylone immediately and order his how-to book on how to successfully log out of life.

WND... Bwahaha, you can't make that kind of comedy up.
 
Does WND stand for woman next door? If so, it sounds kind of hot.
 
TroutBum said:
I had the multiquote thing going on because I was going to reply to all of your opinions, but the further through the thread I got, your responses got dumber by the sentence. I mean, that's perfect fodder and low hanging fruit for a guy like me who thrives on making stupid people look even more stupid than originally thought, but you beat me to the punch and added the ultimate, "I'm an absolute ****ing retard who can't think for myself" insult to yourself by actually citing a WND.com article to backup you flawed, idiotic, unbelievably ****-brained ideas. I have always known you were a little slow, probably have a few extra chromosomes rattling around in there, and were likely ravaged by your uncle's best friend's horse, but really, you've hit rock bottom. Please call Vinylone immediately and order his how-to book on how to successfully log out of life.

WND... Bwahaha, you can't make that kind of comedy up.
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Thanks for your incredibly enlightened contribution to the discussion.
 
TroutBum said:
I had the multiquote thing going on because I was going to reply to all of your opinions, but the further through the thread I got, your responses got dumber by the sentence. I mean, that's perfect fodder and low hanging fruit for a guy like me who thrives on making stupid people look even more stupid than originally thought, but you beat me to the punch and added the ultimate, "I'm an absolute ****ing retard who can't think for myself" insult to yourself by actually citing a WND.com article to backup you flawed, idiotic, unbelievably ****-brained ideas. I have always known you were a little slow, probably have a few extra chromosomes rattling around in there, and were likely ravaged by your uncle's best friend's horse, but really, you've hit rock bottom. Please call Vinylone immediately and order his how-to book on how to successfully log out of life.

WND... Bwahaha, you can't make that kind of comedy up.
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Your debate style reminds me of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu9vR2XdprA
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Ultimately we probably won't agree on how this started, but I think it's abundantly clear that liberals are the ones who want to change the status quo on this issue.
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Damn liberals! If it wasn't for them, we'd probably still have segregation and be livin' the dream.
 
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