Rumor: Favors and Hayward for D'angello Russell and the #2 pick?

[framer]

This is my problem. The Jazz aren't swinging. They are literally doing NOTHING. Let FA's walk. Obtain assets. Don't do anything with them. Don't sign anyone.

What has Utah done? Let me ask you this. This could have been Utah's team:

Hornacek - Head Coach, has won 48 games in the Western Conference with a team supposed to be at the bottom of the West.

PG - Mack, Burke (I do believe that Burke isn't worth the ninth pick, but he would be perfect for Horny's system)
SG - Hayward, Burks
SF - Carroll, Hood (Hood was taken late in the first round, Utah could have gotten him again)
PF - Millsap
C - Favors, Gobert (Again, Utah could have bought Gobert the same way they bought Gobert)

That adds up to 80 million. We'd still have cap room. We would have made the playoffs.

Congratulations, you have just constructed a treadmill team with almost no upside just like the ones you constantly bitch about. Additionally there would be very little room for improvement and crappy draft choices.

Meanwhile, Hornecek got fired because it turned out that his offense wasn't so bad *** after people had a year to prepare for it.

 

[gregbroncs]

Ha. Keep drinking that kool aid. The millers thank you for it.

Was or was not their record good enough for the playoffs when they were healthy? Why would the Miller's thank me? I'm a cheap *** and have not bought a Jazz related item or ticket in years.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

I'm not sold D'Angelo Russell is going to be that good. He looks like a slightly better version of Evan Turner to me.

 

[fishonjazz]

Just get your excuse ready for this year. I talked about how Blazers had a whole new starting lineup with only one returning player. Still made playoffs. a roster with no chemistry at beginning of the year since it was a whole new roster, Still made playoffs no excuses. Thing with Blazers is they showed what having a superstar player can do for you. Jazz are lacking a superstar. It is reason Houston made playoffs, Harden.. Jazz lack a superstar and you need a superstar to go alogn with good role players. Jazz have fantastic role players but no star... I don't need to answer your question because it will be same story after next season and Jazz will be on outside looking in. Look at how many of you laughed and called me names and question my ability whne ?I said Blazers woulsd be a better team, They were and instead of just saying I was right yall have to act like women and come up with excuses. Get ready for another excuse...
Also on a side not and this just isn't to you but why does everyone here just assume Exum is going be a great guard in the NBA? IT is possible he is who he is at this moment as a player. It happens. Nothing is set in stone either way but just assuming he is going be a star shows the lack of basketball commonsense around here

Still didn't answer the question.

 

[ncoloradojazz]

Still didn't answer the question.

No need to answer Because no one knows how the Jazz would of done without injuries but to just say that's the reason they didn't make playoffs is crazy talk. They didn't make playoffs previous year either. What was the excuse for then? I think even if healthy they wouldn't have made playoffs. Also other teams deal with injuries too smart guy. Mephis was injured all year and look still made playoffs

 

[ncoloradojazz]

I'm not sold D'Angelo Russell is going to be that good. He looks like a slightly better version of Evan Turner to me.

Nothing alike other then light skinned and both went to OSU

 

[fishonjazz]

No need to answer Because no one knows how the Jazz would of done without injuries

Yes we do.
Look at their record when hayward, favors, Gobert, burks, and hood were all healthy.

It was good enough to make the playoffs btw. (And that is with no exum too)

 

[My2Cents]

No need to answer Because no one knows how the Jazz would of done without injuries but to just say that's the reason they didn't make playoffs is crazy talk. They didn't make playoffs previous year either. What was the excuse for then? I think even if healthy they wouldn't have made playoffs. Also other teams deal with injuries too smart guy. Mephis was injured all year and look still made playoffs

You're right, no one knows for sure. But Portland only won 44 games. I have to believe that if Exum and Burks had been as healthy as Lillard and McCollum we would have easily won 4 or 5 more games and been in the hunt for the 5 seed. By the way, Memphis was 11-18 after the all-star break and 5-15 after Conley went down. Their early season record carried them.

 

[gregbroncs]

This is my problem. The Jazz aren't swinging. They are literally doing NOTHING. Let FA's walk. Obtain assets. Don't do anything with them. Don't sign anyone.

What has Utah done? Let me ask you this. This could have been Utah's team:

Hornacek - Head Coach, has won 48 games in the Western Conference with a team supposed to be at the bottom of the West.

PG - Mack, Burke (I do believe that Burke isn't worth the ninth pick, but he would be perfect for Horny's system)
SG - Hayward, Burks
SF - Carroll, Hood (Hood was taken late in the first round, Utah could have gotten him again)
PF - Millsap
C - Favors, Gobert (Again, Utah could have bought Gobert the same way they bought Gobert)

That adds up to 80 million. We'd still have cap room. We would have made the playoffs.

Puke. I'd much rather be where we are at now than rolling with that lineup. No future, no assets and no chance to be anything but what they already are.

 

[green]

Puke. I'd much rather be where we are at now than rolling with that lineup. No future, no assets and no chance to be anything but what they already are.

Our future right now is hoping Hood can become an above average starter, Gobert can gain any sort of offensive game, Lyles can turn into Boozer and Exum becomes a super star. That's not the greatest future. Compare that to our counterparts in the West:

Sacramento has Cousins.
New Orleans has Anthony Davis
Minnesota has KAT and Wiggins
The Lakers have Russell, cap space and the #2 pick.

Those are all teams below us that have brighter futures.

The Warriors aren't going anywhere. The Spurs have Aldrich and Leonard. Maybe the Thunder implode but as of right now they have Durrant and Westbrook. The Clippers have DAJ and Griffin. The Blazers have Lillard. The Rockets have Harden.

That puts us...where? 10th in potential future in the West?

Now, it isn't that bad. Favors and Hayward deserve to be mentioned. That being said, Minnesota, New Orleans, Sacramento, the Lakers, the Warriors, the Spurs, the Thunder, the Blazers, the Rockets, the Clippers all have better shots at a title than we do.

Hayward and Favors and Gobert and Hood aren't leading us to a title. If we win a title in the next 5-10 years, it is because of one thing:

Exum becomes a superstar.

He is our future. He is our only hope for a title.

That's why I've been saying this all along:

If you want playoffs, then sign a starting PG, a starting wing, and a backup big. We will be in the playoffs, no sweat.

If you want a title, then build around Exum. Use Hayward and Favors to get you more pieces around Exum.

Back to your post. You'd rather be where we are now than that lineup. That's ok. BUT, we'd had been in the playoffs a lot more the last five years than we have been with that lineup.

And we'd still have Gobert, Hood, Favors and Hayward and Burks as our "future". The only difference is that we traded Korver, Millsap, and Caroll for Exum.

Exum had better pan out. Two all stars and a top flight three and D guy for Exum. That's quite the trade. Exum had better pan out.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Puke. I'd much rather be where we are at now than rolling with that lineup. No future, no assets and no chance to be anything but what they already are.

That team has all of the good players this team has, just with additional better ones. Exum isn't going to save us. Sorry.

Your post and others of its ilk make no sense. Unless your point is that Dante Exum is going to save the team.

 

[NUMBERICA]

As for this fake trade idea, yeah, I doubt it's good for either team. With Hayward on the cusp of unrestricted free agency and on a team that has consistently been sub-par, while Favors is as inconsistent as any "core" member of the team a player can be, in addition to not effectively spacing the floor, sounds pretty good to me I guess.

For the record, I am not in favor of a perpetual rebuild. 2017 could be a really ugly year for this franchise if this year is more like the last five years than the previous 25.

 

[GVC]

bizarre to think that the Jazz will miss the playoffs again next season

What?

 

[LoPo]

Good morning fellow Jazz fans. This is my first post in this forum, but I've been a Jazz fan for years and years.

This trade idea is a little far fetched, but I like it. I'd do it in a heartbeat. I love Hayward and all, but he's practically on a one year deal. He'd be pretty stupid to pick up his player option next summer when he knows he can probably get a bigger, longer deal from Utah or another team. Most importantly, I don't think he would give us a deal to stay. He's already shown that he's not willing to do that last time his contract ran out. So really, would we even consider giving Hayward $21+ a year in a new contract next summer? I don't think we should. He's a good player who can do everything. But the problem is that he doesn't do anything at an elite level. Nothing. And I feel that is what you pay players max money to do. Be elite...

As for Favors, I like him but we have to start putting together a roster that makes sense. He's a guy who would help us in the season, but I think he's a mismatch against us in the post season. I'd much rather get value for him now and play Lyles than try to make him work out while slowing the development of Lyles. In my personal opinion, Lyles is the future of the PF position of the NBA and Favors is the past. Flexibility and comprehensive skill sets are absolutely key with regards to big men. Unless a big man is a "unicorn" defensively like Gobert, their place in the playoffs is nullified. Look at D'Andre Jordan, Blake Griffen, Ibaka and so many other big men on massive contracts who don't really serve as game changers in the playoffs. Those guys are great to have, but you can't build around them for long playoff runs.

We have a bunch of good players right now but probably not any stars unless Hood, Exum or Lyles truly emerge. We do know for a fact that Hayward is very good and Favors is good but neither are game changing stars. So yes, I would trade Favors, Hayward and even #12 for Russell and #2. I would do it and not think twice. There is a very good chance that either or both of those guys end up being game changers.

Go Jazz

 

[ijazz]

Good morning fellow Jazz fans. This is my first post in this forum, but I've been a Jazz fan for years and years.

This trade idea is a little far fetched, but I like it. I'd do it in a heartbeat. I love Hayward and all, but he's practically on a one year deal. He'd be pretty stupid to pick up his player option next summer when he knows he can probably get a bigger, longer deal from Utah or another team. Most importantly, I don't think he would give us a deal to stay. He's already shown that he's not willing to do that last time his contract ran out. So really, would we even consider giving Hayward $21+ a year in a new contract next summer? I don't think we should. He's a good player who can do everything. But the problem is that he doesn't do anything at an elite level. Nothing. And I feel that is what you pay players max money to do. Be elite...

As for Favors, I like him but we have to start putting together a roster that makes sense. He's a guy who would help us in the season, but I think he's a mismatch against us in the post season. I'd much rather get value for him now and play Lyles than try to make him work out while slowing the development of Lyles. In my personal opinion, Lyles is the future of the PF position of the NBA and Favors is the past. Flexibility and comprehensive skill sets are absolutely key with regards to big men. Unless a big man is a "unicorn" defensively like Gobert, their place in the playoffs is nullified. Look at D'Andre Jordan, Blake Griffen, Ibaka and so many other big men on massive contracts who don't really serve as game changers in the playoffs. Those guys are great to have, but you can't build around them for long playoff runs.

We have a bunch of good players right now but probably not any stars unless Hood, Exum or Lyles truly emerge. We do know for a fact that Hayward is very good and Favors is good but neither are game changing stars. So yes, I would trade Favors, Hayward and even #12 for Russell and #2. I would do it and not think twice. There is a very good chance that either or both of those guys end up being game changers.

Go Jazz

Haywards going to command 30+ mill per year.....and get it.

 

[LoPo]

Haywards going to command 30+ mill per year.....and get it.

And I hope like hell we're not the one paying him that much. I love the guy, but he's not worth a max contract at that rate. On a title contender, he's probably a 3rd option.

 

[framer]

That team has all of the good players this team has, just with additional better ones. Exum isn't going to save us. Sorry.

Your post and others of its ilk make no sense. Unless your point is that Dante Exum is going to save the team.

False, rolling with green's treadmill team constricts us from developing youth. Look at Phoenix. The held on to redundant talent, and when that went south, they kept trading away pieces in order to "take the next step" and it blew up in their faces. If they had stood pat and trusted their youth, they would be in a better spot now. They signed another redundant player in IT because "value." and it didn't do anything for them. They had no real vision, and because they invested in trading for vets, they had to acquire "win now" pieces when they were in no situation to win now. To think the Jazz would have went with Hood or Gobert in that situation is ludicrous. We would have traded the assets for a better bench to compliment the playoff run, exactly like we did with the Al Jefferson teams.

We had just watched several episodes of that show, it was time to turn the channel. . .

 

[BENTLEY]

Good morning fellow Jazz fans. This is my first post in this forum, but I've been a Jazz fan for years and years.

This trade idea is a little far fetched, but I like it. I'd do it in a heartbeat. I love Hayward and all, but he's practically on a one year deal. He'd be pretty stupid to pick up his player option next summer when he knows he can probably get a bigger, longer deal from Utah or another team. Most importantly, I don't think he would give us a deal to stay. He's already shown that he's not willing to do that last time his contract ran out. So really, would we even consider giving Hayward $21+ a year in a new contract next summer? I don't think we should. He's a good player who can do everything. But the problem is that he doesn't do anything at an elite level. Nothing. And I feel that is what you pay players max money to do. Be elite...

As for Favors, I like him but we have to start putting together a roster that makes sense. He's a guy who would help us in the season, but I think he's a mismatch against us in the post season. I'd much rather get value for him now and play Lyles than try to make him work out while slowing the development of Lyles. In my personal opinion, Lyles is the future of the PF position of the NBA and Favors is the past. Flexibility and comprehensive skill sets are absolutely key with regards to big men. Unless a big man is a "unicorn" defensively like Gobert, their place in the playoffs is nullified. Look at D'Andre Jordan, Blake Griffen, Ibaka and so many other big men on massive contracts who don't really serve as game changers in the playoffs. Those guys are great to have, but you can't build around them for long playoff runs.

We have a bunch of good players right now but probably not any stars unless Hood, Exum or Lyles truly emerge. We do know for a fact that Hayward is very good and Favors is good but neither are game changing stars. So yes, I would trade Favors, Hayward and even #12 for Russell and #2. I would do it and not think twice. There is a very good chance that either or both of those guys end up being game changers.

Go Jazz

Good first post, friend. I agree with your sentiments on Hayward, but Favors I differ. Favors is such a bargain AND might continue to be - I think he likes it here. He's good both sides of the ball. The knock on him is he isn't an angry alpha. He's chill. But talented. = not elite money.

So I'd be fine with this trade if you took out Favors and let L.A. keep Russell.
Hayward for Ingram. I'm all for that.

 

[Gameface]

Good first post, friend. I agree with your sentiments on Hayward, but Favors I differ. Favors is such a bargain AND might continue to be - I think he likes it here. He's good both sides of the ball. The knock on him is he isn't an angry alpha. He's chill. But talented. = not elite money.

So I'd be fine with this trade if you took out Favors and let L.A. keep Russell.
Hayward for Ingram. I'm all for that.

So for a pro-athlete to be elite they need a mental/personality disorder?

 

[LoPo]

Good first post, friend. I agree with your sentiments on Hayward, but Favors I differ. Favors is such a bargain AND might continue to be - I think he likes it here. He's good both sides of the ball. The knock on him is he isn't an angry alpha. He's chill. But talented. = not elite money.

So I'd be fine with this trade if you took out Favors and let L.A. keep Russell.
Hayward for Ingram. I'm all for that.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

I like Favors and he is a good player, but I really think that Lyles can be a special player. We simply cannot invest in three bigs for the future because this league is absolutely dominated by wings and PG's. It just doesn't work if you spend that much cap on bigs. In addition, we didn't handle the Millsap situation all that well (Booz then start then SF then Favors then let him walk), and I don't want to do the same with Lyles. Gobert is so unique, and I feel that Lyles compliments Gobert so much better in the long term. Like you said, Favors is on a bargain deal and he's still young. With Lyles emergence, I have a feeling that this summer will be the height of Favors' trade value. He can still be perceived as having "potential" instead of being in that place where "he is what he is".