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Following 2016 potential draftees

King Cy said:
I wouldn't trade any of them for Bender.

The lack of respect for our players is astonishing.

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Ya I know. They have all accomplished so much!
 
fishonjazz said:
Yep. Way better than yours. Hayward has not done all that much for the team in the win loss column. And I know about all the excuses. Doesn't change that fact. Hell, last year we looked great when he was out with injury. I know I know. Sample size. Still doesn't change the fact that we looked great without him.
His stats have not been improving on a year by year basis if you account for minutes. I know I know, his teammates are not good enough for his stats to improve.
He has never been an all star. I know I know, his point guards have not been good enough to help get him there.
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Lol

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Here's the thing.

I wouldn't trade Gobert, Favors, or Hayward, for ANYONE in this draft, straight up.
Only reason I pick on Hayward is his max contract and his term.
Makes a ducking difference.
 
fishonjazz said:
Yep. Way better than yours. Hayward has not done all that much for the team in the win loss column. And I know about all the excuses. Doesn't change that fact. Hell, last year we looked great when he was out with injury. I know I know. Sample size. Still doesn't change the fact that we looked great without him.
His stats have not been improving on a year by year basis if you account for minutes. I know I know, his teammates are not good enough for his stats to improve.
He has never been an all star. I know I know, his point guards have not been good enough to help get him there.
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Fish, do you understand what point differential is and what it means? Also, the law of averages?

In regards to the Hield-Curry comp, I don't care who made it, it's stupid.
 
King Cy said:
Grass is always greener. Let's not look at the facts our core missed over 160 games last year. Let's just trade them all for projects.

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Lol. So dumb. I already went over all the excuses.
 
#bern said:
Fish, do you understand what point differential is and what it means? Also, the law of averages?

In regards to the Hield-Curry comp, I don't care who made it, it's stupid.
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A. I was the one touting the point differential and how we only had like 9 losses over 10 points all year and all of the losses were against top dog teams when arguing with gvc, frank, and shad.

I think this team is good when healthy cause we have lots of good players. I think if we trade one of them for a top pick, grab another good player In free agency and add pick 12 then I think we are still good when healthy.

B. If you want to pull up currys college stats, size, max vert, cone drills, strengths and weaknesses pre draft and see where he was projected to be picked and then do the same for hield and we find that they are way different from each other then I guess I'm the dick licker.

I'm thinking you would find plenty of similarities though.

I'm not saying he will be as good of an nba player as curry. That's retarded. Curry is arguably the best player in the game and one of the best ever. But to say that their final college seasons stats, size, athleticism, strengths and weaknesses, and draft projections aren't similar is retarded as well.

They do have many similarities coming out of college. Deal with it.
 
fishonjazz said:
A. I was the one touting the point differential and how we only had like 9 losses over 10 points all year and all of the losses were against top dog teams when arguing with gvc, frank, and shad.

I think this team is good when healthy cause we have lots of good players. I think if we trade one of them for a top pick, grab another good player In free agency and add pick 12 then I think we are still good when healthy.

B. If you want to pull up currys college stats, size, max vert, cone drills, strengths and weaknesses pre draft and see where he was projected to be picked and then do the same for hield and we find that they are way different from each other then I guess I'm the dick licker.

I'm thinking you would find plenty of similarities though.

I'm not saying he will be as good of an nba player as curry. That's retarded. Curry is arguably the best player in the game and one of the best ever. But to say that their final college seasons stats, size, athleticism, strengths and weaknesses, and draft projections aren't similar is retarded as well.

They do have many similarities coming out of college. Deal with it.
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We should just sign jimmer. Super similar to Curry in college.

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King Cy said:
We should just sign jimmer. Super similar to Curry in college.

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I never said we should sign anyone lol. I also wanted the jazz to pass on jimmer at 12 if he would have been there. They are not similar though size imo. I do agree however that they had similar stats though. Good job sigh!
 
King Cy said:
Its not an excuse, its a fact. If you want to be dumb and ignore that fact, and make rash decisions without observing that fact, then you are dumb.

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Uh oh. Don't ignore the fact that we whooped that lebron *** with Hayward out of the lineup this year!
 
Lol. Their only similarities are being really good at shooting.

Look, what I'm saying is that Curry had a lot of weaknesses coming out. He improved a lot of them. That makes him an extreme anomaly. Players hardly ever improve the way he did. That's why I don't like pointing to a weakness of a player, then pointing at Curry and saying, "he had the same weakness! So player x could improve there too!" Sure, it's possible. So is me having sex with Jessica Alba and cheating on my wife. It's possible. It's also extremely unlikely. That's why I think it's a stupid exercise of thought. Are you following?

Now then, Hayward led us to the 5th or 6th best point differential in the West, with an injured cast. We had a losing record. Based on averages, things just really didn't go our way. Call it bad luck, lack of clutchness, bad coaching, whatever, to me, point differential is more indicative of how good your team is than a win-loss record. Hayward is also our best player. It's not arguable. You're not going to replace him with Bazemore and a rookie and be just as good. You're not going to replace him with Fournier and a rookie and be just as good. This is a really weak draft, and it just isn't the time to trade him. If it was for the 17 draft, then maybe, but not in this one.

How easy is it to replace a 21/6/4 guy that plays great defense Fish? You think they grow on trees? I love ya bud, but you're way off. Outside of Hood, who is streaky as all get out, Hayward is currently our only guy who can create a shot for himself and for others. Bazemore can't do that. Fournier can't really do it. Barnes can't do it. Hayward is not nearly as replaceable as you think.
 
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