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Boris said:
Did you know Trump has only raised $59,000,000 verses Hillary at $300,000,000 and Bernie Sanders $207,000,000?

Trump is the only candidate we have ever seen who is not a bought and paid for special interests threat to liberty. He will not be the guy who puts in Patriot Acts he is the guy who will repeal them.
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He isn't going to do anything. He'll probably throw a tantrum and quit before November.
 
Gameface said:
He isn't going to do anything. He'll probably throw a tantrum and quit before November.
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Trump is a winner. I want a outsider who the GOP hates. Trump is the best candidate since Dukakis.
 
Trump is not a winner. He's a spoiled little rich kid who never grew up.

He says disgusting hateful things and is constantly contradicting both himself and the facts.
 
Gameface said:
Trump is not a winner. He's a spoiled little rich kid who never grew up.

He says disgusting hateful things and is constantly contradicting both himself and the facts.
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This character assassination will not work on me. Trump is kind hearted and a very charitable person. Did you know he has given $102,000,000.00 in charity over the last five years? Is that what spoiled kids do? How much has Hillary given?
 
Boris said:
This character assassination will not work on me. Trump is kind hearted and a very charitable person. Did you know he has given $102,000,000.00 in charity over the last five years? Is that what spoiled kids do? How much has Hillary given?
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Lol
 
babe said:
I'm older than you, and have studied history a little better, and reject jingoism and yellow journalism as intellectual foundations for opinion. Donald Trump is nothing like Hitler or Joe McCarthy. Trump is not in any serious way an ideological believer in either national socialism, racism of any kind, nor inclined to make hay of who other people associate with or support. He is a national populist along the lines of a practical problem solver who sees America as having had a run of weak leaders who don't know how to stand up for "America" as he understands it's former greatness.

I don't think Trump considers the Marxist ideology that is seen in much of the "progressive' or "new world order" agenda as the problem that needs to be addressed. He simply doesn't like the idea of America becoming just another member of the family of nations. Apparently, a lot of Americans share his intellectual notions. I don't think they are hunting for Reds or focused on international fascism either.

So those who link Trump to either Hitler or McCarthy are seeing bogeymen in their closets if they think Trump is anything like these historical persons. He's no George Wallace, either. Literally none of his thinking is actually directed along racial logic. He's focused on the glory of America as the great economic engine it has been, and could still be. He doesn't care who gets the jobs he wants to create by his schemes of practical reforms, he wants everyone to have jobs.

He believes in doing logical things that he thinks will improve American interests and America's standing as the relevant political power of the world.

I think he will prove to be sufficiently malleable in the hands of Washington's politicians that he will not threaten the foundations of ongoing agendas of international fascism, however, but it will take a little more time to get him on board as Hillary is now.
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I made History too familiar over the course of my life, beyond the several degrees in the subject. Understanding history allows a perspective simply not available to those who live in ignorance of the past. I very much appreciate the ability to gain that perspective, to work hard for it every single day, in fact. To the degree any of us can stand outside our own time and place, the perspective of history aids in that effort like few other studies can. So, I judge Trump from that perspective, and understand there is nothing all that new under the sun.

He is a dishonorable man to be willing to marginalize large groups of our fellow citizens, simply to satisfy his goal of attaining the Presidency. To turn Mexican Americans into....The Other.
To turn Muslim Americans into....The Other.
In service to his needs. How can anyone respect that?

What kind of man, arrives on the scene, and sets out to turn millions of Americans into The Other? Did not another demagogue in another nation do just that to other groups of innocent people? How did that turn out? What citizens of a republic would invite that into the body politic? Why not wish cancer upon ourselves? Right now, Donald Trump is that cancer in the body politic.

In response to Orlando, he praises himself for "getting it right." Did we actually need him to know we would likely suffer ISIS inspired attacks? His first thoughts are of himself. Not his countrymen. Not his country. Himself. Why would I want to see such a dishonorable man as President? To the entire world, including our enemies, he hints that our sitting President is on the side of ISIS. His authorities? The purveyors of conspiracy theory. Why would I want to put such a mental midget in charge of the Executive branch of our government? He himself a purveyor of conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory.

A populist who appeals to the baser instincts in man. The ideologies may differ, the tactics of the demagogue are the very same. How anyone can support that is beyond me.
 
[MENTION=970]babe[/MENTION], you said, regarding Trump, that "he believes in doing logical things...." I have to question putting logical down as a characteristic of the man. His lack of logic can make my head spin. He hints that Obama is on the side of ISIS. The Washington Post says as much, and he revokes their press pass for "inaccuracy". He then finds a conspiracy theory, long debunked, and points to it as proof that Obama is on the side of ISIS. Which is what the Washington Post pointed out was Trump's position in the first place. So he "punishes" the Post(one of many news outlets who have had their press privlage so revoked by Trump) for being accurate, in other words.

I'm sorry, but logic of any form is not this man's strong suit. He is fully immersed in the world of conspiracy theories, which are one of the most dominant form of popular thought in America at this time in history. And, at their heart, most are quite illogical. I sometimes tell my friends that we are living in The Age of Conspiracy Theories. As such, the man is about as anti-intellectual as it gets. I caught a live feed of his rally in Dallas the other night and listened to the last 10-15 minutes of his talk. I was amazed, even at this point, at just how very, very stupid he sounded. He sounded like an absolute dope, and I asked myself once more, how on Earth did it get to this point? I believe, as long as he keeps talking, that he cannot possibly pull it off. 70% disapproval. Might be 90% by November 8th....
 
Red said:
I made History too familiar over the course of my life, beyond the several degrees in the subject. Understanding history allows a perspective simply not available to those who live in ignorance of the past. I very much appreciate the ability to gain that perspective, to work hard for it every single day, in fact. To the degree any of us can stand outside our own time and place, the perspective of history aids in that effort like few other studies can. So, I judge Trump from that perspective, and understand there is nothing all that new under the sun.

He is a dishonorable man to be willing to marginalize large groups of our fellow citizens, simply to satisfy his goal of attaining the Presidency. To turn Mexican Americans into....The Other.
To turn Muslim Americans into....The Other.
In service to his needs. How can anyone respect that?

What kind of man, arrives on the scene, and sets out to turn millions of Americans into The Other? Did not another demagogue in another nation do just that to other groups of innocent people? How did that turn out? What citizens of a republic would invite that into the body politic? Why not wish cancer upon ourselves? Right now, Donald Trump is that cancer in the body politic.

In response to Orlando, he praises himself for "getting it right." Did we actually need him to know we would likely suffer ISIS inspired attacks? His first thoughts are of himself. Not his countrymen. Not his country. Himself. Why would I want to see such a dishonorable man as President? To the entire world, including our enemies, he hints that our sitting President is on the side of ISIS. His authorities? The purveyors of conspiracy theory. Why would I want to put such a mental midget in charge of the Executive branch of our government? He himself a purveyor of conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory.

A populist who appeals to the baser instincts in man. The ideologies may differ, the tactics of the demagogue are the very same. How anyone can support that is beyond me.
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Oh give me a break. Donald Trump praised Reagans amnesty deal with Tip O'neal and pledged to work with democrats to make great deals. That is why you establishment GOP and the conservatives hate him so much.
 
[MENTION=3085]Red[/MENTION] what politician is not self serving lol. You hate on Trump where is your hate on Hillary and Bernie, the two who have collected hundreds of millions from corporations, Wall Street and private interest groups?
 
Boris said:
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Trump is a winner. I want a outsider who the GOP hates. Trump is the best candidate since Dukakis.
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wasn't that the joke about Ducacis? People asked "What the Hell is a Dukadis?"

Actually, when you realize that Roger Stone is someone significant in the Trump camp, it's pretty certain Trump is not a Hillary/Bill ploy like Perot was in 1992. Trump is not only going to stay in this race, he's gonna make a name for himself as the man who dished it out to the RNC Rinos and wicked Hillary at the same time. He won't be the end of the Am/Brit fascism that is the New World Order, but he might give ordinary people a voice in their government once again.

Colton, if you have a shred of humanity or belief in constitutional law, this is about the best thing America has seen since Reagan. Sure, Trump is a bit shaky on that Constitutional Law idea, but he will be forced into that corner by the phony and corrupt Dems and Republicans. This is reason number 4 I've given you to vote for Trump.
 
Red said:
[MENTION=970]babe[/MENTION], you said, regarding Trump, that "he believes in doing logical things...." I have to question putting logical down as a characteristic of the man. His lack of logic can make my head spin. He hints that Obama is on the side of ISIS. The Washington Post says as much, and he revokes their press pass for "inaccuracy". He then finds a conspiracy theory, long debunked, and points to it as proof that Obama is on the side of ISIS. Which is what the Washington Post pointed out was Trump's position in the first place. So he "punishes" the Post(one of many news outlets who have had their press privlage so revoked by Trump) for being accurate, in other words.

I'm sorry, but logic of any form is not this man's strong suit. He is fully immersed in the world of conspiracy theories, which are one of the most dominant form of popular thought in America at this time in history. And, at their heart, most are quite illogical. I sometimes tell my friends that we are living in The Age of Conspiracy Theories. As such, the man is about as anti-intellectual as it gets. I caught a live feed of his rally in Dallas the other night and listened to the last 10-15 minutes of his talk. I was amazed, even at this point, at just how very, very stupid he sounded. He sounded like an absolute dope, and I asked myself once more, how on Earth did it get to this point? I believe, as long as he keeps talking, that he cannot possibly pull it off. 70% disapproval. Might be 90% by November 8th....
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Okay, so maybe you are a sincere person trying to sort all this out. Game says he likes you, and Game is anything but an ideological campaigner for some cause.

Shall I go to the articles you reference and try to debunk those leftwing conspiracists? I could do that, but it would take some time for the facts to sink in, I'm sure.

I didn't say Trump has valid logic, or that he is right in his opinions, just that I see him as following a set of ideas he does have, which are inconsistent with the reports of the Washington Post and other news articles that aim to make Trump into a fascist or a Hitler or a deranged lunatic of any kind. I think he is just stupid, in a logical sort of way. But I also note that he has some pretty smart people in his camp who are possibly going to have some bearing on his future remarks and actions.

Stupid, a nice American sort of way, can be refreshing in a flood of progressive rants, which are not factual and if indeed clever are not virtuous.
 
babe said:
Okay, so maybe you are a sincere person trying to sort all this out. Game says he likes you, and Game is anything but an ideological campaigner for some cause.

Shall I go to the articles you reference and try to debunk those leftwing conspiracists? I could do that, but it would take some time for the facts to sink in, I'm sure.

I didn't say Trump has valid logic, or that he is right in his opinions, just that I see him as following a set of ideas he does have, which are inconsistent with the reports of the Washington Post and other news articles that aim to make Trump into a fascist or a Hitler or a deranged lunatic of any kind. I think he is just stupid, in a logical sort of way. But I also note that he has some pretty smart people in his camp who are possibly going to have some bearing on his future remarks and actions.

Stupid, a nice American sort of way, can be refreshing in a flood of progressive rants, which are not factual and if indeed clever are not virtuous.
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He is not stupid and he does not spout off crap. People like Red are caught up on sound bites they ignore his messages. He says build a border wall that is all they repeat and not how he welcomes Mexicans and wants immigration reform. You know what I bet you Trump towers and casinos are one of the largest Mexican American employers in the country. I am sure he really hates Mexicans
 
Boris said:
Oh give me a break. Donald Trump praised Reagans amnesty deal with Tip O'neal and pledged to work with democrats to make great deals. That is why you establishment GOP and the conservatives hate him so much.
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I actually hate him cause he is a pompous, idiotic, rude, crude, childish *******.
 
fishonjazz said:
I actually hate him cause he is a pompous, idiotic, rude, crude, childish *******.
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Assholes donate $102,000,000.00 and feel so much sympathy toward illegal immigrants that he employs them on purpose at his construction sites? There is documented evidence over 30 years that he is charitable and accepting of illegals. He is even right now employing many at his Washington post office luxury hotel conversion project.

The Donald is a loving caring genuine man and I hate that people use that against him or anyone. If you show any softness in this day and age people will eat you up for it. We are a ruthless society.
 
Boris said:
Assholes donate $102,000,000.00 and feel so much sympathy toward illegal immigrants that he employs them on purpose at his construction sites? There is documented evidence over 30 years that he is charitable and accepting of illegals. He is even right now employing many at his Washington post office luxury hotel conversion project.

The Donald is a loving caring genuine man and I hate that people use that against him or anyone. If you show any softness in this day and age people will eat you up for it. We are a ruthless society.
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Yep, still an *******. Assholes do nice things sometimes too. Still an *******.
 
fishonjazz said:
I actually hate him cause he is a pompous, idiotic, rude, crude, childish *******.
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I would be embarrassed to have him as a guest at a dinner party, let alone have him be my President.
 
Boris said:
He is not stupid and he does not spout off crap. People like Red are caught up on sound bites they ignore his messages. He says build a border wall that is all they repeat and not how he welcomes Mexicans and wants immigration reform. You know what I bet you Trump towers and casinos are one of the largest Mexican American employers in the country. I am sure he really hates Mexicans
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There's this indefinable quality in your comments that seems designed to drive everyone nuts. Sloaned, some say.

Trump is a definite type A, alpha male personality. He makes his way by being unpredictable to his opponents. I'm sure he would hire illegals if it saved him a dollar, and I'm sure he'd make a deal with the Mexican Pres if it gave him something he needed. I don't think he's racist in the old sense of the word, meaning having a particular disregard for any class of people. He does love some kinds of green, that's about it.

Progressives camped out in our colleges today have a new definition of racist. It means anyone who is not a socialist, and particularly so if you are white, religious, or wealthy. You see, the brown races of equatorial earth never had to store nuts to get through a winter, so people did not claim property the way white Europeans did. Now, if you claim property, that means you're against the various tones of colored equatorial enlightened socialist cultures.

yah, I doubt many college profs or professional historians like Red who believe what the written words published by our propaganda/social change retailers have actually been to those third world cultures. Seems to me that the globalist/fascists cartelists corporatists got there already, and pretty much own those places.

Easy to sit in ivory-covered state-owned buildings and believe anything that's convenient to the agenda. Unless, somehow, the paychecks stop cashing.
 
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