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If a Christian fundamentalist went on a terror attack I would have no problem with Obama calling it Christian Extremist Terrorism. I believe that he has, though I don't have time to look for examples. When a Islamic extremist uses terrorism Obama and his administration try to expunge that fact from the records (yesterday's 911 transcript fiasco was a perfect example). I cannot understand why this is, and I think that Obama's tactics of dealing with everything in such a pansy way has done far more to give comfort to our enemy than anything Trump has ever done.

Name our enemy, declare war on them, don't try to make every terrorist attack into something it is not.

Aren't peaceful followers of Islam ashamed of the extremists who use terror to get their ways? I know that Christians are ashamed of the extremists who use terror in the name of that religion.

The terminology issue is really vexing to me. While this debate was ongoing recently, I looked up the difference between Islam, the religion, and Islamism, the dystopian ideology(and I had to look up dystopian as well, lol). I noticed Hillary has no problem using Islamism. I also found this article and saved it to my ever growing dossier on this election:

https://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/06/donald_trumps_escalating_war_on_muslims_moran.html

"Look at Trump. He's a Christian. Do I judge Christianity looking at someone like Trump?"

A chilling thought. But maybe we Christians should try it on for size, see what it feels like to be judged as part of Trump's team based on our religion, just for a minute."

My problem with giving the impression that the war is one of West vs. Islam has to do with the home front. I would not be surprised if there are Islamic families here since before my own. Although mine is only from the mid 1800's, Irish immigrants. My concern is once we decide it's a war against elements within a religion, there should be an uptick in home grown lone wolfs since if we follow Trump's recommendations, well I know if I were a young Muslim, I might begin to resent it a great deal. If I'm not going to be treated like other Americans, then screw it, I won't be American. I'll join ISIS instead. (I hasten to add, I can't imagine actually going that route, but I'm sure some would who might not otherwise) And notice from the above article that Trump is lying once more. Our authorities do hear from the Islamic community here.

Many commentators that I've watched do agree with you, and they are not necessarily supporting Trump. They agree with you.

I don't know if using the term "a war against Islamism" would be "sufficient", but it would work better for me. I don't want to marginalize American Muslims. If the Irish Republican Army were targeting Americans, I would not like being on a watch list simply because I'm an Irish American. I would resent it. I'm sure Japanese Americans will never forget the internment camps. I think you need to separate ISIS and their ilk from Islam, even if they themselves obviously do not. And until I read the above article, I honestly was not aware of all that cooperation. Were you? Because I never see the media mentioning it before.
 
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If a Christian fundamentalist went on a terror attack I would have no problem with Obama calling it Christian Extremist Terrorism. I believe that he has, though I don't have time to look for examples. When a Islamic extremist uses terrorism Obama and his administration try to expunge that fact from the records (yesterday's 911 transcript fiasco was a perfect example). I cannot understand why this is, and I think that Obama's tactics of dealing with everything in such a pansy way has done far more to give comfort to our enemy than anything Trump has ever done.

Name our enemy, declare war on them, don't try to make every terrorist attack into something it is not.

Aren't peaceful followers of Islam ashamed of the extremists who use terror to get their ways? I know that Christians are ashamed of the extremists who use terror in the name of that religion.

Here's one of the pieces that came up when I started to look into the terminology issue:

https://www.npr.org/2016/06/14/482011041/radical-islam-or-radical-islamism-it-depends-who-you-ask

It may be worth noting that, from the point of view of ISIS, they believe in an apocalyptic vision in which American forces and armies of Islam will meet in an Armageddon level battle in the region of the Islamic State, ushering in a world ruled by Islam as they perceive it. So they very much want to define this conflict as a battle between civilizations, and a war between Islam and infidels. Which, it may eventually be. But I should think that will spell trouble for American Muslims and innocent Muslims everywhere. The administration claims avoiding this definition is strategic, because to do so supports the view of ISIS, and aids their recruiting by allowing them to say "you see, the infidels have declared war against the faith of Islam".

Edit: ISIS wants this defined as a war between the West and the faith known as Islam. Is it? I'm still at a loss on how to proceed with how we word this conflict....
 
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After the election we should make one of the Aleutian islands its own country. We should make Trump president of it and hope that all of his idiot followers follow him there. Then we would have a good reason to build a ****in wall.

Yeah because keeping Muslim terrorists from invading through the coyote road is not enough reason. I bet you think China is not a millitary threat or Russia to. We need to protect this country and The Donald is the man for the job!
 
The terminology issue is really vexing to me. While this debate was ongoing recently, I looked up the difference between Islam, the religion, and Islamism, the dystopian ideology(and I had to look up dystopian as well, lol). I noticed Hillary has no problem using Islamism. I also found this article and saved it to my ever growing dossier on this election:

https://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/06/donald_trumps_escalating_war_on_muslims_moran.html

"Look at Trump. He's a Christian. Do I judge Christianity looking at someone like Trump?"

A chilling thought. But maybe we Christians should try it on for size, see what it feels like to be judged as part of Trump's team based on our religion, just for a minute."

My problem with giving the impression that the war is one of West vs. Islam has to do with the home front. I would not be surprised if there are Islamic families here since before my own. Although mine is only from the mid 1800's, Irish immigrants. My concern is once we decide it's a war against elements within a religion, there should be an uptick in home grown lone wolfs since if we follow Trump's recommendations, well I know if I were a young Muslim, I might begin to resent it a great deal. If I'm not going to be treated like other Americans, then screw it, I won't be American. I'll join ISIS instead. (I hasten to add, I can't imagine actually going that route, but I'm sure some would who might not otherwise) And notice from the above article that Trump is lying once more. Our authorities do hear from the Islamic community here.

Many commentators that I've watched do agree with you, and they are not necessarily supporting Trump. They agree with you.

I don't know if using the term "a war against Islamism" would be "sufficient", but it would work better for me. I don't want to marginalize American Muslims. If the Irish Republican Army were targeting Americans, I would not like being on a watch list simply because I'm an Irish American. I would resent it. I'm sure Japanese Americans will never forget the internment camps. I think you need to separate ISIS and their ilk from Islam, even if they themselves obviously do not. And until I read the above article, I honestly was not aware of all that cooperation. Were you? Because I never see the media mentioning it before.
I'm stunned that you would find it offensive for someone to recognize that you and Trump have something in common. That doesn't make you him or him you. If Trump really was some sort of criminal who you felt needed to be eradicated for our safety would you really find it offensive if the people who you had tasked with eradicating him questioned you because of your similarities with him? I think you should be grateful that the authorities are being so thorough.

Let's just pretend that America really did want Trumpism eradicated because it really was the threat to the world that the ultra-anti Trump crowd has convinced themselves that it is. Let's also assume that you were Trumps twin, separated at birth. Wouldn't it infuriate you if the authorities let you walk through checkpoints while screening people who any idiot could see didn't fit the profile of a Trumpist?

The only thing I find chilling about the chilling thought you mentioned in your post is that people actually think that way.

And BTW, the war is not against Islam. You implied that it was several times in your post. It's against Islamic terrorists. There's a huge difference.
 
[MENTION=970]babe[/MENTION], you wrote:

"Having the patience with college to sit still and take in enough of the lore du jour to get two college degrees in History, would, in my estimation, define the classical nitwit who can't think for himself. To be actually proud of a college degree suggests a reliance on authority for one's self-image."

You know, Americans have long distrusted intellectuals. Goes back to our frontier experience. Intellectuals had no practical skills to offer for survival in the wilderness. Nonetheless, institutions of higher learning were established quite early in our colonial era. But that distrust does run through our history to a degree.

I wondered if you were actually talking directly to me in that paragraph. Working for a time in academia required training. Do you actually find a study of the past a complete waste of time? Because none of us are born with a perfect understanding of human history. If I were having surgery, I would hope the people performing that surgery would have training in medical school. If I want to study history, I need to learn from somewhere. And that somewhere is historians and primary research. I can't derive that knowledge from the ether. I had one professor, my advisor in fact, who, more then anyone else in my life, taught me how to use my mind in a critical manner. It went well beyond the subject of History itself. I will always be grateful for that. What that one man taught me was actually of greater lasting value then any degrees earned. Proud? I just don't think that way, really, certainly not overweening pride. (Something your hero Trump has in abundance!) Never, in my entire life, have I assumed superior airs because I earned degrees. Why in the world would I be so self-centered, so foolish, so full of myself? Lots of people attend college and earn degrees. And everyone has inherent skills and talents, college or not. Myself, I have lots of experience as a working class guy as well. Both before and after college. Enough to know who the salt of the Earth is. Enough to know the world that is not the isolated ivory tower. Both worlds have served me well in understanding human nature.

You seem to actually be saying that the study of History is a waste of time. I don't think you'll find many who would agree with you.

No, I have some esteemed college-level historians in my immediate family. I study history for my own interests and purposes. I am a devotee of Ambrose Bierce, whose humor sauces most of my comments if you know w2hat I mean. There are different points of view, each reflecting values and reasons not entirely duplicated in any other human.

History can be a great hobby that enlightens on to the various peoples of this world.

Sorry, I just think Salon and Politico are polluted fountains, and I generally reject statism in the contemporary scene, as well as fascism on the world stage as reflected largely in the progressive/socialist/corporate nexus.

Anyone can sit through a history program and get a degree or two, given the time and ;money to do so. What I'm poking at is uncritical acceptance of the fashions in favor in our day, as they are reflected in claims of historicity I don't think really stand up to the facts.
 
It is evident to me that in Red I have a competent foil or, even better, possibly a real scholar, whose comments deserve careful reading a much more adequate response. Unfortunately, I have a business, and it's doing good, and I've gotta be gone for several days. Best wishes to all.
 
I'm stunned that you would find it offensive for someone to recognize that you and Trump have something in common. That doesn't make you him or him you. If Trump really was some sort of criminal who you felt needed to be eradicated for our safety would you really find it offensive if the people who you had tasked with eradicating him questioned you because of your similarities with him? I think you should be grateful that the authorities are being so thorough.

Let's just pretend that America really did want Trumpism eradicated because it really was the threat to the world that the ultra-anti Trump crowd has convinced themselves that it is. Let's also assume that you were Trumps twin, separated at birth. Wouldn't it infuriate you if the authorities let you walk through checkpoints while screening people who any idiot could see didn't fit the profile of a Trumpist?

The only thing I find chilling about the chilling thought you mentioned in your post is that people actually think that way.

And BTW, the war is not against Islam. You implied that it was several times in your post. It's against Islamic terrorists. There's a huge difference.

BTW, in the first comment, I meant to say I wanted to know the difference between the term Islamic and Islamism, not Islam and Islamism. So, just to clarify that.

Otherwise, my head is spinning wondering what your reply has to do with my comment. I don't see any relation between my comment and your reply. I just don't understand a word that you are talking about. What exactly am I taking offense to? I wish I understood where this disconnect occurred. My comment was an effort to explain why I was concerned that Trump's suggestions would marginalize and help radicalize American Muslims. You've lost me completely. I just cannot find any connection whatsoever between what I said and your reply. It's as if I decided to talk about what fishing lures I like to use and you replied that Snicker bars were your favorite treat. You've lost me completely. I don't know what you read, but it doesn't seem to bear any relationship to what I wrote.
 
BTW, in the first comment, I meant to say I wanted to know the difference between the term Islamic and Islamism, not Islam and Islamism. So, just to clarify that.

Otherwise, my head is spinning wondering what your reply has to do with my comment. I don't see any relation between my comment and your reply. I just don't understand a word that you are talking about. What exactly am I taking offense to?
I was reacting mostly to these words:
"Look at Trump. He's a Christian. Do I judge Christianity looking at someone like Trump?"

A chilling thought. But maybe we Christians should try it on for size, see what it feels like to be judged as part of Trump's team based on our religion, just for a minute."
I thought they were yours when I first read your post, but now I notice the quotation marks, so maybe they are an excerpt from the article. Regardless, why did you call attention to that particular quote if it's not relevant to your feelings on the matter?

To me all of the iterations of words relating to Islam and Muslim are far less important than including a form of the word "terrorist" if you are describing those who are killing in the name of the religion.
 
It is evident to me that in Red I have a competent foil or, even better, possibly a real scholar, whose comments deserve careful reading a much more adequate response. Unfortunately, I have a business, and it's doing good, and I've gotta be gone for several days. Best wishes to all.

And I've begun to think my crusade against Trump is getting to an unhealthy point, and I need to step away from it somewhat. Not everything that comes across my desk has to end up in this Never Trump thread. BTW,,the long awaited Trump pivot has begun, once he fired his campaign manager who had been pushing the "Let Trump be Trump" approach, and who had been isolating Trump even from his own family. His speech yesterday was evidence of that. Less bluster, more Presidential. We'll see how that turns out. Appreciate the clarification by babe and I respect his point of view.
 
I was reacting mostly to these words:

I thought they were yours when I first read your post, but now I notice the quotation marks, so maybe they are an excerpt from the article. Regardless, why did you call attention to that particular quote if it's not relevant to your feelings on the matter?

To me all of the iterations of words relating to Islam and Muslim are far less important than including a form of the word "terrorist" if you are describing those who are killing in the name of the religion.


"Look at Trump. He's a Christian. Do I judge Christianity looking at someone like Trump?"

A chilling thought. But maybe we Christians should try it on for size, see what it feels like to be judged as part of Trump's team based on our religion, just for a minute."

Yeah, those quoted two lines were from an Iman speaking to the reporter, basically saying if you judge all of Muslims by the actions of a terrorist perverting Islam, then is it fair for me to judge all Christians based on the words of Trump, who is a Christian. And the "chilling thought" is considering what it would be like to be singled out and judged as suspect simply because one was Christian. That actually does seem to qualify as a "chilling thought" to me. I thought it would for any of us. I used the example of the IRA and my Irish heritage,because I could relate directly to that hypothetical scenario of being treated as different to all other Americans simply because I'm Irish. So as to understand how an American Muslim, or any Muslim would likely feel. Being singled out and judged as different, as being put on a watch list for no other reason then the fact they are Muslim. The article emphasized that the term "Islamic terror" implies "Islam is terrorist inclined", whereas Islamism describes a dystopian ideology that imposes Islamic law on non Muslims and is led by terrorists who pervert the faith to meet their ends, which is an Islamic State in which all citizens are subject to Islamic law, regardless of if they are members of the faith of Islam or not. I've just never seen a disconnect in understanding of this level, as seems to have happened between my own comment and your own. I thought I had expressed myself so clearly. Trump has said Ametican Muslims do not cooperate with authorities, and they do. The article pointed out how wrong he is, and what you thought was an alarming thought was simply a suggestion by a Muslim asking how we would feel if all Christians were judged based on how Trump's Christianity was judged. I assume he means going by the divisive and at times rather hateful rhetoric he has used at his rallies.

But that quote is relevant to my feelings on the matter. If the term "radical Islamic terrorism" can be reworded as "Terror sponsored by the faith of Islam", then it can easily be converted to "a war between the West and the faith of Islam". Using Islamism instead better defines it as a war between the West and a dystopian ideology known as Islamism, which itself is a perversion of the faith by psychopathic madmen, and not the entire faith. Also, Trump wants American Muslims monitored very closely. Would that not marginalize innocent American Muslims, and only lead to potential further radicalization of American Muslims, if the result is to treat them as different then all other Americans in how we are going to view them and treat them? The relevancy comes from the fact that I do not agree with Trump's call to single out certain Americans based on their faith. Hence I quoted that Iman. Hence asking to imagine being singled out for being Christian. Hence I used the example of myself being singled out for being Irish American. Isn't that relevant to what I was trying to get across?

The quote that turned you off was really only saying that one might try to feel what it would be like, if, as a Christian, and an American, you were judged by your faith, and treated differently from all other Americans as a result. I thought it was relevant to what I was saying: it is not true to our value of not judging people or discriminating against people based on their faith. And I worry that Trump's call to keep tabs on Americans who are a Muslims, simply because they are Muslims, would lead in that direction.

I thought the quote was simply pointing out that Muslims are being judged, by some, on the words and actions of psychopathic madmen who have perverted the faith toward their own dystopian vision. And how would one feel if the faith of Christianity were judged based on the words of Donald Trump.

This semantic issue is so vexing and confusing, I would like to see a national seminar, broadcast on every network, and live streamed, set date or dates, in which the difference is explained between "radical Islamic terror" and "Islamism". The former can too easily be interpreted as "terror mounted by Islam", the latter "a dystopian ideology mounted by psychopathic madmen", the same reason Bush said, and I paraphrase "we are not fighting a religion, we are fighting madmen". I don't think avoiding the former term is political correctness; I do believe it is rooted in strategy whereby the administration does not want ISIS to have the satisfaction of seeing us describe the war in a way that makes it seem like it is against the faith of Islam.
 
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Yeah, those quoted two lines were from an Iman speaking to the reporter, basically saying if you judge all of Muslims by the actions of a terrorist perverting Islam, then is it fair for me to judge all Christians based on the words of Trump, who is a Christian. And the "chilling thought" is considering what it would be like to be singled out and judged as suspect simply because one was Christian. That actually does seem to qualify as a "chilling thought" to me. I thought it would for any of us. I used the example of the IRA and my Irish heritage,because I could relate directly to that hypothetical scenario of being treated as different to all other Americans simply because I'm Irish. So as to understand how an American Muslim, or any Muslim would likely feel. Being singled out and judged as different, as being put on a watch list for no other reason then the fact they are Muslim. The article emphasized that the term "Islamic terror" implies "Islam is terrorist inclined", whereas Islamism describes a dystopian ideology that imposes Islamic law on non Muslims and is led by terrorists who pervert the faith to meet their ends, which is an Islamic State in which all citizens are subject to Islamic law, regardless of if they are members of the faith of Islam or not. I've just never seen a disconnect in understanding of this level, as seems to have happened between my own comment and your own. I thought I had expressed myself so clearly. Trump has said Ametican Muslims do not cooperate with authorities, and they do. The article pointed out how wrong he is, and what you thought was an alarming thought was simply a suggestion by a Muslim asking how we would feel if all Christians were judged based on how Trump was judged.

But that quote is relevant to my feelings on the matter. If the term Islamic terrorism can be reworded as "Terror sponsored by the faith of Islam", then it can easily be converted to "a war between the West and the faith of Islam". Using Islamism instead better defines it as a war between the West and a dystopian ideology known as Islamism, which itself is a perversion of the faith by psychopathic madmen, and not the entire faith. Also, Trump wants American Muslims monitored very closely. Would that not marginalize innocent American Muslims, and only lead to potential further radicalization of American Muslims, if the result is to treat them as different then all other Americans in how we are going to view them and treat them.

The quote that turned you off was really only saying that one might try to feel what it would be like, if, as a Christian, and an American, you were judged by your faith, and treated differently from all other Americans as a result. I thought it was relevant to what I was saying: it is not true to our value of not judging people or discriminating against people based on their faith. And I worry that Trump's call to keep tabs on Americans who are a Muslims, simply because they are Muslims, would lead in that direction.

This semantic issue is so vexing and confusing, I would like to see a national seminar, broadcast on every network, and live streamed, set date or dates, in which the difference is explained between "radical Islamic terror" and "Islamism". The former can too easily be interpreted as "terror mounted by Islam", the latter "a dystopian ideology mounted by psychopathic madmen", the same reason Bush said, and I paraphrase "we are not fighting a religion, we are fighting madmen". I don't think avoiding the former term is political correctness; I do believe it is rooted in strategy whereby the administration does not want ISIS to have the satisfaction of seeing us describe the war in a way that makes it seem like it is against the faith of Islam.
I would hope that if madmen were perverting a belief that was important to me into a reason for mass murder that I would recognize the importance of identifying and ending that situation. I would hope I would direct any anger that the situation caused me at the people who were creating the problem rather than the people who were trying to solve the problem. I think describing the problem as Islamic terrorism, clearly and loudly, ought to give ISIS the dissatisfaction of knowing that we see them as a radicalized and cancerous segment of the whole that we and the world are committed to removing.

I agree with you that Trump ought and others who are describing the problem as Islamic or Muslim ought to get educated on the issue and pay more attention to their words. I wish we saw Islamic leaders leading the charge against these extremists. If Christian terrorists were going on a modern day crusade in the name of God I hope that the Pope and the President of the Mormon Church, and the leaders of all the various sects would be screaming from the rooftops for the madness to end. I hope their anger would be directed at the bad guys. If Buddhists went nuts I hope the Dahli Lama would order them to get their act together. If Jews went off the deep end I'd hope that Rabbi's would demand that they stop. In the current situation the moderate leaders of Islam seem way more concerned with how the world is reacting to their religion than how the fringe elements of their religion are reacting toward the world. Why aren't they screaming at the terrorists to knock it the **** off?

When my mom had cancer it did not make me hate her, even though I despised that part of her which was cancerous. If anything it made me love her more because she wanted it gone too, and she was going to have to pay the price for the battles that needed to be fought. We took aggressive action and did everything we could to remove it. As far as I know, nobody recovers from cancer via any other course. Showing love and kindness to cancer would be ineffective. Yesterday Loretta Lynch said that our best strategy against the terrorists is love and kindness. Statements like that make me lose what little faith I had left in the Obama administration.
 
I would hope that if madmen were perverting a belief that was important to me into a reason for mass murder that I would recognize the importance of identifying and ending that situation. I would hope I would direct any anger that the situation caused me at the people who were creating the problem rather than the people who were trying to solve the problem. I think describing the problem as Islamic terrorism, clearly and loudly, ought to give ISIS the dissatisfaction of knowing that we see them as a radicalized and cancerous segment of the whole that we and the world are committed to removing.

I agree with you that Trump ought and others who are describing the problem as Islamic or Muslim ought to get educated on the issue and pay more attention to their words. I wish we saw Islamic leaders leading the charge against these extremists. If Christian terrorists were going on a modern day crusade in the name of God I hope that the Pope and the President of the Mormon Church, and the leaders of all the various sects would be screaming from the rooftops for the madness to end. I hope their anger would be directed at the bad guys. If Buddhists went nuts I hope the Dahli Lama would order them to get their act together. If Jews went off the deep end I'd hope that Rabbi's would demand that they stop. In the current situation the moderate leaders of Islam seem way more concerned with how the world is reacting to their religion than how the fringe elements of their religion are reacting toward the world. Why aren't they screaming at the terrorists to knock it the **** off?

When my mom had cancer it did not make me hate her, even though I despised that part of her which was cancerous. If anything it made me love her more because she wanted it gone too, and she was going to have to pay the price for the battles that needed to be fought. We took aggressive action and did everything we could to remove it. As far as I know, nobody recovers from cancer via any other course. Showing love and kindness to cancer would be ineffective. Yesterday Loretta Lynch said that our best strategy against the terrorists is love and kindness. Statements like that make me lose what little faith I had left in the Obama administration.

Yes, the overall silence on the part of sane Muslims has always seemed troubling to me. I was surprised, in fact, when I read about all that cooperation in NJ, as one example. I was encouraged that American authorities are depending on American Muslim tips, and that that is the opposite of the situation in Europe. We integrate, whereas it seems in Europe Muslim enclaves are set up as if they were independent Muslim communities with no interest in integrating into the European culture where they have settled.

In the area where the conflict is the hottest, the Middle East, it seems like one of the biggest problem is the animosity between Sunni and Shia. Radicals of either persuasion are anti-Western, and at the same time fighting each other. Over a breach between them dating back to Mohammed himself and the nature of the succession after his death. I can't keep track of who's who. But I think it seems like at the state level, the states support whatever branch dominates their own nations and governments, so they avoid criticizing their own, regardless of any blood shed by their own. I think this must very much help create the failure of a unified response by sane Muslims to the madness being unleashed. In other words, there is no unified Islam. The same can be said of Christianity with it's many branches, but at least the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic, while competing in control of sites holy to the faith in Israel, are not actually hateful of each other. Whereas this Sunni/Shia split, which, again, makes my head spin in trying to understand it, must play a role in preventing a more unified stand in which the leaders of Islam condemn radicalism in a way that leaves no doubt there is an uppermost level of the faith that speaks out in a way that the world actually hears them and leaves no doubt that they oppose this highjacking of their faith by psychopaths. That response does seem relatively invisible to me.
 
John Walsh
Matt Walsh is a conservative blogger who has been very outspoken about not liking Trump, and many of my more liberal friends even posted articles of his a few months back, so I was wondering if that's who Red was referring too.
 
Matt Walsh is a conservative blogger who has been very outspoken about not liking Trump, and many of my more liberal friends even posted articles of his a few months back, so I was wondering if that's who Red was referring too.
John Walsh is a crime fighting TV personality.
 
Matt Walsh is a conservative blogger who has been very outspoken about not liking Trump, and many of my more liberal friends even posted articles of his a few months back, so I was wondering if that's who Red was referring too.

So hipocritical. Conservatives claim charity shall replace government welfare. When the most giving president ever comes along, putting his money where his mouth is, they hate on him. I have decided conservatives are nothing but haters wallowing in there own misery. Are they ever happy about anything? The ones at Maverick complain all day long. So do the liberals about how $800 of food stamps do not last them the month.
 
So hipocritical. Conservatives claim charity shall replace government welfare. When the most giving president ever comes along, putting his money where his mouth is, they hate on him. I have decided conservatives are nothing but haters wallowing in there own misery. Are they ever happy about anything? The ones at Maverick complain all day long. So do the liberals about how $800 of food stamps do not last them the month.
Are you really a convenience store clerk, or are you actually someone who merely dreams of being a convenience store clerk?
 
Hey everyone,

This thread is entirely too civil.

Trump sucks big hairy donkey dicks.

Thank you and have a nice day.
 
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