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They did it to us again!

framer said:
Because the next Wesley Or Milsap or DeMarre were not in this draft, at least in the second round. Dudes that you were making calculated risks like that on were drafted at the end of the lottery and before pick 20. That is horrible value for a pick. Best to sell and reset. I liked Furkan, but in reality dude was second round material.

Next year, because of the quality of the draft, dudes like Furkan will be pushed into the second round where they belong and we can take a flier on four of them if we wish. It is much better to stash a second round pick than a first round for contract issues. With the Jazz scouting system, I am confident we could hit at least once with four chances.
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WTF???
 
framer said:
Because the next Wesley Or Milsap or DeMarre were not in this draft, at least in the second round. Dudes that you were making calculated risks like that on were drafted at the end of the lottery and before pick 20. That is horrible value for a pick. Best to sell and reset. I liked Furkan, but in reality dude was second round material.

Next year, because of the quality of the draft, dudes like Furkan will be pushed into the second round where they belong and we can take a flier on four of them if we wish. It is much better to stash a second round pick than a first round for contract issues. With the Jazz scouting system, I am confident we could hit at least once with four chances.
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Let's bak the cack.
 
framer said:
Remember that the Jazz could have up to 6 picks in next years draft (supposedly a very good draft) and 3 more the year after that. Why the hell would we go buying the moldy crumbs of this year's draft that sucks? This draft was exactly 2 players deep, and neither of those guys are a no brainer. If you are going to roll the dice on second round assets, do it next year when we can pick 13% of the second round. This year plenty of second round talent was given first round money. Jazz were smart to pull the ripcord on that steaming pile of refuse before they got stuck like Boston did.

If the Jazz who have shown that they can identify good players late saw nothing worthwhile, it is likely that there wasn't much worthwhile. I'd rather have cash than taking a chance on a Euroscrub that we will never see.
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So why not trade the picks for picks next year instead of giving them away like free candy or taking players who have exactly zero chance of making the team (Paige and Wallace)?
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Second round pick in a weak draft is not worth paying for. We got a guy we think we can develop in Bolomboy. We are going for vets. We have a rookie. That should be enough for the roster. All of the draft and stash guys were gone when we picked.

Dennis is all about turning $1.00 into $1.25. If that means that we have a guy we really wanted, we would have done a deal. We didn't. So, we turned the pick into a pick + cash.
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You guys have bought DL's spin 100%. Dennis turned $100 into .01 when he drafted Burke. Or was it that He drafted Trey because he didn't want another team benefitting from Utah developing Giannis. Dennis admitted he tried to trade back up this draft but the guys he liked went before 42. It wasn't "genius" or getting value. It was failure.
And had he waited to do the Atlanta deal, he would have seen a couple of guys fall to #12. Atlanta just wasted that pick. Prince wasn't even projected to go in the 1st. Utah could have even swapped picks and given Atlanta their #42. Just a poor, poor job by Lindsey on getting the best return for a lottery pick.
 
Stifle Tower said:
You guys have bought DL's spin 100%. Dennis turned $100 into .01 when he drafted Burke. Or was it that He drafted Trey because he didn't want another team benefitting from Utah developing Giannis. Dennis admitted he tried to trade back up this draft but the guys he liked went before 42. It wasn't "genius" or getting value. It was failure.
And had he waited to do the Atlanta deal, he would have seen a couple of guys fall to #12. Atlanta just wasted that pick. Prince wasn't even projected to go in the 1st. Utah could have even swapped picks and given Atlanta their #42. Just a poor, poor job by Lindsey on getting the best return for a lottery pick.
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Millsap's Uncle did all those things. Not Lyndsey. Check your "facts".
 
Stifle Tower said:
You guys have bought DL's spin 100%. Dennis turned $100 into .01 when he drafted Burke. Or was it that He drafted Trey because he didn't want another team benefitting from Utah developing Giannis. Dennis admitted he tried to trade back up this draft but the guys he liked went before 42. It wasn't "genius" or getting value. It was failure.
And had he waited to do the Atlanta deal, he would have seen a couple of guys fall to #12. Atlanta just wasted that pick. Prince wasn't even projected to go in the 1st. Utah could have even swapped picks and given Atlanta their #42. Just a poor, poor job by Lindsey on getting the best return for a lottery pick.
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This is hilarious.
 
And to those who say it was a weak draft, the "Burke" draft was likewise considered one of the worst ever for depth. Yet players like Giannis, Schroeder and Gobert were picked after #12. There are ALWAYS gems to be found. You don't just burn assets needlessly. DL didn't really care about this draft. So he didn't get a better deal for our lottery pick. And that's a shame. If in 4 yrs were not talking about a couple of all-stars or very good starters that emerged from this draft at #12 or lower, I'll quit the board.
 
@Stifle,

I've had your back around here for a few months. But you need to quit your meth habit or we'll both start looking bad. TIA
 
Stifle Tower said:
And to those who say it was a weak draft, the "Burke" draft was likewise considered one of the worst ever for depth. Yet players like Giannis, Schroeder and Gobert were picked after #12. There are ALWAYS gems to be found. You don't just burn assets needlessly. DL didn't really care about this draft. So he didn't get a better deal for our lottery pick. And that's a shame. If in 4 yrs were not talking about a couple of all-stars or very good starters that emerged from this draft at #12 or lower, I'll quit the board.
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Will you give yourself a JFC tattoo on your forehead if Bolomboy is an All-Star?
 
NAOS said:
Millsap's Uncle did all those things. Not Lyndsey. Check your "facts".
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Sorry, I don't get the Millsap's uncle reference. Must be from a thread I've missed. DL was the GM. No matter what he's said, the buck stops at his desk.
 
SCS said:
So why not trade the picks for picks next year instead of giving them away like free candy or taking players who have exactly zero chance of making the team (Paige and Wallace)?
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They traded back their first pick in the second round, they picked the guy from Weber St. who is actually a popular choice, then they just took the best guy possible at #60. There is almost no value with that pick, so you just take a dude to run your SL team and hope that you can put him on your D-League squad.
 
What I find so amusing is reading how happy everyone is to get Hill, a solid vet, but not all-star caliber.
And this on top of so many threads moaning about the lack of stars on the team...pointing out how it takes stars to contend.
So with that in mind, DL should be trading up, or AT LEAST drafting someone who COULD develop. Instead, the team DOES improve with Hill, but we KNOW he'll never be an all-star. So Utah just burned what might be their last lottery pick on a solid, but non-star player.
Oh, I forgot: Hayward=Lebron and Exum=Irving. So Utah just needs solid vets to surround those two. Reserve me a spot for the championship parade!
 
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Stifle Tower said:
Sorry, I don't get the Millsap's uncle reference. Must be from a thread I've missed. DL was the GM. No matter what he's said, the buck stops at his desk.
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you're the only poster on JFC that isn't allowed to forget crazzy-azz references to Millsap's Uncle.
 
Stifle Tower said:
And to those who say it was a weak draft, the "Burke" draft was likewise considered one of the worst ever for depth. Yet players like Giannis, Schroeder and Gobert were picked after #12. There are ALWAYS gems to be found. You don't just burn assets needlessly. DL didn't really care about this draft. So he didn't get a better deal for our lottery pick. And that's a shame. If in 4 yrs were not talking about a couple of all-stars or very good starters that emerged from this draft at #12 or lower, I'll quit the board.
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DL got a fantastic deal for our lottery pick. Hill directly addresses several huge needs. The lists have been made.

It does not matter what possible stars there are in up to 4 years from this draft. It matters what Hill does for Utah this season and if he re-signs. It was not a needless burn of assets. It was a very good use of them.

I like you, you're a good dude but man you and I almost always disagree on the Jazz. Personally I don't want you to quit the board. I feel that declarations like that are overly dramatic.
 
Stifle Tower said:
And to those who say it was a weak draft, the "Burke" draft was likewise considered one of the worst ever for depth. Yet players like Giannis, Schroeder and Gobert were picked after #12. There are ALWAYS gems to be found. You don't just burn assets needlessly. DL didn't really care about this draft. So he didn't get a better deal for our lottery pick. And that's a shame. If in 4 yrs were not talking about a couple of all-stars or very good starters that emerged from this draft at #12 or lower, I'll quit the board.
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The Jazz turned the #12 into a starting caliber point guard, probably a top 15 pg that plays defense and hit the accurate 3 ball. That is huge. Think of all of the open 3's Exum, Neto, and Burke are given in the offense. Now imagine a proficient shooter getting that shot. It was the best possible move in this dungheap of a draft.

Yes there are good players that can be taken late, and the Jazz are better than most teams in identifying them. How many players in that range did the Jazz work out? How good is our European scouting? If they didn't see anything valuable, it likely wasn't there. Again, those second round value picks were going just after the lottery (in in the case of Prince at #12, IN the lottery.) People get attached to the draft, but some drafts just truly suck, and this is one of them. Next year DOESN'T suck and we have assets out of the wazoo. We might even have more after extricating ourselves from Burke and Neto.

To finish, if there was a chance for a stud coming out of the second round, it was Bolonboy, and we got him AND a few million.
 
Stoked said:
DL got a fantastic deal for our lottery pick. Hill directly addresses several huge needs. The lists have been made.

It does not matter what possible stars there are in up to 4 years from this draft. It matters what Hill does for Utah this season and if he re-signs. It was not a needless burn of assets. It was a very good use of them.

I like you, you're a good dude but man you and I almost always disagree on the Jazz. Personally I don't want you to quit the board. I feel that declarations like that are overly dramatic.
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Lol at asking Stifle not to be overly dramatic.
 
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