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dalamon said:
Whole lotta cryin. I hope your Breitbart subscription pacifies you.
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It actually is a decent point that deserves an answer.

Don't mix cultures: bigotry

Mix and adopt other cultures: cultural appropriation

So what is the answer? Personally I think we're at our best when we're a great big melting pot. There's not one culture that has everything figured out, but we can sure as hell learn from all other ones.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I'm interested in your reaction to this situation:
https://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/justin-timberlake-wrong-jesse-williams-article-1.2690298

I see it as a real world illustration of what scat said.
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the author is arguing that it's unfair how black culture can be used by white people for advancement of financial power & status, while not bringing to light the issues that black people fight in contemporary America. As summarized in this quote:

It seems, in some ways, that Justin Timberlake has gotten famous and rich off of mimicking black moves and sounds without ever really standing up for black people when it has mattered the most.
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No one really gave a **** about JT borrowing off of black music. Umm, every contemporary American musician probably borrows off of black music in one way or another.

But then when you make statements like "we're all one race" you're basically implying that there are no race-specific problems in America, which is why so many black people found his tweets hugely problematic. That's the heart of the issue.
 
#bern said:
It actually is a decent point that deserves an answer.

Don't mix cultures: bigotry

Mix and adopt other cultures: cultural appropriation

So what is the answer? Personally I think we're at our best when we're a great big melting pot. There's not one culture that has everything figured out, but we can sure as hell learn from all other ones.
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Melting pots don't really work, because the social groups in power force the powerless to conform to what they think is ideal. While something like food may be an example where a "melting pot" approach has worked, things like beauty standards, language, religion, clothing (and countless other examples) are examples where it hasn't. I think the better approach is a "cultural mosaic". Allowing peaceful coexistence and mutual respect/appreciation for separate cultures that are all tied together in one greater picture-- i.e. the 'American identity'. Melting pots involve a "dilution" assimilating process, whereas the latter doesn't.
 
dalamon said:
the author is arguing that it's unfair how black culture can be used by white people for advancement of financial power & status, while not bringing to light the issues that black people fight in contemporary America. As summarized in this quote:



No one really gave a **** about JT borrowing off of black music. Umm, every contemporary American musician probably borrows off of black music in one way or another.

But then when you make statements like "we're all one race" you're basically implying that there are no race-specific problems in America, which is why so many black people found his tweets hugely problematic. That's the heart of the issue.
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I wasn't aware that he tweeted what you claim, but even if he had it sounds like a statement of support. But the real issue is, it sounds like you're setting up a no-win situation for JT to me. What's he supposed to do?

Does it offend you that people other than Caucasian males from Utah utilize television (either by watching it or by being broadcast over it)? After all, it was invented by someone in that category. From my perspective "cultural appropriation" is a ridiculous concept.Technology and ideas become part of the public domain once they are shared. Our society is a melting pot of good ideas from all sorts of cultures that have become so intertwined that nobody could ever hope to unravel them and figure out which ones they should be allowed to use because of group identification and which ones they shouldn't. Cultural appropriation enables people to define anybody's behavior as wrong, no matter what that behavior is.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I wasn't aware that he tweeted what you claim, but even if he had it sounds like a statement of support. But the real issue is, it sounds like you're setting up a no-win situation for JT to me. What's he supposed to do?
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I very clearly pointed out how championed he would be if he voiced any support towards issues affecting the black community specifically. It's not a no-win situation whatsoever. Instead he capitalizes off of black art & doesnt do anything for black people. Are you beginning to understand where they're coming from?

Does it offend you that people other than Caucasian males from Utah utilize television (either by watching it or by being broadcast over it)? After all, it was invented by someone in that category. From my perspective "cultural appropriation" is a ridiculous concept.Technology and ideas become part of the public domain once they are shared. Our society is a melting pot of good ideas from all sorts of cultures that have become so intertwined that nobody could ever hope to unravel them and figure out which ones they should be allowed to use because of group identification and which ones they shouldn't. Cultural appropriation enables people to define anybody's behavior as wrong, no matter what that behavior is.
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That's a false-equivalency-- and this is very clearly a case of you ignoring what people are trying to say in terms of black exploitation. Instead you're just regurgitating right-wing talking points. For starters, listen to the speech that JT praised.
 
Scat said:
You say this as if it is a bad thing.
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It's a bad-thing to basically everyone except America's Neo-Nazis. I'm surprised you're not calling people cucks on Jazzfanz for holding their centrist/left stances.
 
dalamon said:
It's a bad-thing to basically everyone except America's Neo-Nazis. I'm surprised you're not calling people cucks on Jazzfanz for holding their centrist/left stances.
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You mean like you do with those holding centrist/right stances?
 
Scat said:
You mean like you do with those holding centrist/right stances?
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You're clearly unfamiliar with the cuck phenomenon. I'd also enjoy you posting any proof of me calling someone a cuck. Ever.



I'll wait.
 
dalamon said:
I very clearly pointed out how championed he would be if he voiced any support towards issues affecting the black community specifically. It's not a no-win situation whatsoever. Instead he capitalizes off of black art & doesnt do anything for black people. Are you beginning to understand where they're coming from?



That's a false-equivalency-- and this is very clearly a case of you ignoring what people are trying to say in terms of black exploitation. Instead you're just regurgitating right-wing talking points. For starters, listen to the speech that JT praised.
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If you very clearly said something about what Timberlake should have done I missed it before. I've heard the speech. He had a ton of passion and the audience clearly agreed with what he said. I did not understand all of it. I still feel that the cultural appropriation part doesn't serve anyone well. It's just another way of dividing people. I know that you'll disagree with me on that, but I'm not giving you anybody else's talking points. I honestly believe that the cultural appropriation argument is a bad one. A very bad one.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
If you very clearly said something about what Timberlake should have done I missed it before. I've heard the speech. He had a ton of passion and the audience clearly agreed with what he said. I did not understand all of it. I still feel that the cultural appropriation part doesn't serve anyone well. It's just another way of dividing people. I know that you'll disagree with me on that, but I'm not giving you anybody else's talking points. I honestly believe that the cultural appropriation argument is a bad one. A very bad one.
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I'm not sure you fully understand the cultural appropriation "argument" (there isn't just one argument, there's 1000 different extents that you could argue the issue on). I would suggest you look into the things he said that you didn't understand, instead of automatically assuming it's "dividing people"
 
dalamon said:
You're clearly unfamiliar with the cuck phenomenon. I'd also enjoy you posting any proof of me calling someone a cuck. Ever.



I'll wait.
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I'll admit that I had no idea what the term cuck means. I looked it up. It describes you perfectly! LOL

Cuck
A demasculated Millenial liberal male who often speaks of white privilege and modern feminism. Blames white men for all of the world's problems.
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https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cuck

Oh wait, is that reference too "intensely right wing"?

And you win. I have now accused someone on Jazzfanz of being a cuck. Congratulations cuck.
 
Scat said:
I'll admit that I had no idea what the term cuck means...
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Obviously, it’s short for cuckold, an emasculated man.

However, in the past year it’s become the hot new internet insult. It started out as cuckservative, an insult by Trump supporters to describe Bush and Bush supporters. Then it became a generic insult by Trumpers to describe any conservative too spineless to support Donald. Now it’s been shortened back to cuck and used by right-wingers of all stripes, everyone from neo-nazis describing anyone not racist enough to movement conservatives describing RINOs.

Only recently has it started to be used against liberals by trolls pretending to be stupid. Still, whatever form it now takes, like all of the most crude insults, it’s all about projecting your own fears, failures and cowardice onto someone else.
 
Jonah said:
Obviously, it’s short for cuckold, an emasculated man.

However, in the past year it’s become the hot new internet insult. It started out as cuckservative, an insult by Trump supporters to describe Bush and Bush supporters. Then it became a generic insult by Trumpers to describe any conservative too spineless to support Donald. Now it’s been shortened back to cuck and used by right-wingers of all stripes, everyone from neo-nazis describing anyone not racist enough to movement conservatives describing RINOs.

Only recently has it started to be used against liberals by trolls pretending to be stupid. Still, whatever form it now takes, like all of the most crude insults, it’s all about projecting your own fears, failures and cowardice onto someone else.
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Yet somehow the first person to utter the words here, the first person to bring it up, is one of the boards liberals.
 
dalamon said:
Melting pots don't really work, because the social groups in power force the powerless to conform to what they think is ideal. While something like food may be an example where a "melting pot" approach has worked, things like beauty standards, language, religion, clothing (and countless other examples) are examples where it hasn't. I think the better approach is a "cultural mosaic". Allowing peaceful coexistence and mutual respect/appreciation for separate cultures that are all tied together in one greater picture-- i.e. the 'American identity'. Melting pots involve a "dilution" assimilating process, whereas the latter doesn't.
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Why is assimilation so bad? I've seen you speak out against national pride, but somehow cultural pride is so much better? White people can't have dreads because they're white and from Ohio? ****, we better ban archery hunting so we don't culturally appropriate the Native Americans, right?

Let's be honest...if this is what we have to bitch about, then life isn't too bad. There are so many bigger issues out there, but this is what y'all wanna spend your time on. And Dala, there will always be those in power and those who are "powerless". It's not going away. You're just trying to switch who's in power.
 
#bern said:
Yet somehow the first person to utter the words here, the first person to bring it up, is one of the boards liberals.
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Well, I won’t defend its use by anyone. It’s out there for partisans of all stripes to brand perceived enemies and says much more about them than whomever it’s directed against.
 
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