Steve Kerr's Passionate Personal Stand on Gun Control

[Stoked]

As I stated earlier in this thread, I agree with [MENTION=578]franklin[/MENTION]. Guns are not the root of gun related deaths.
As to your question here, I honestly don't know. What is it about our society that is the trigger that isn't prevalent in other countries/societies?

It is prevalent in other societies. Just not all other societies. For example Honduras is very violent while Switzerland is not.

Not I am sure there are many factors that come into play here that add or detract from the nature to do violence in a society.

 

[franklin]

So, I swear this isn't an attempt at a leading question of any kind-- I'm genuinely under-informed of the answer to this:

What systematic issues do we have in the U.S. that countries without this level of gun-related violence do not have? And WHY do they not have our systematic problems?

I'm sure that's a very involved answer. Super-interested in the response(s).

My opinion is extreme inequality (in areas that should be targeted to curb poverty and thus violence).

 

[franklin]

I think if you were to be able to take away guns (I think that is impossible btw) that there would be less deaths. Guns are the most efficient and easiest way for most people to kill.

I am partial to this line of reasoning but I don't buy it outright: Take away cause and reduce effect. In a vacuum that sounds rational. One Brow had some very compelling arguments supporting this reasoning. However, it was still no more than reasoning.

How do you explain Cuba's relatively high rate of homicide compared to Utah's? They have very few guns and we have plenty.

How do you explain North Dakota's low homicide rate to that of other states?

I can pick and choose all day long if I put my mind to it. The bottom line for me is that guns are not our problem outside of mass killings (which happen to be high publicity events) and inner city violence.


I also think you are more than reaching with your claim that guns are the most efficient way to kill. There are much more efficient ways to kill. How do you know that removing guns (I realized already that you don't think that's possible) will not increase the rate of ammonium nitrate disasters? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium_nitrate_disasters

I'm actually kind of surprised we don't see more attacks like that instead of these gun toting psychos going out in a blaze of glory.

 

[NAOS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wqfcwgT0Ds

 

[MVP]

Guns are not the root of gun related deaths.

Obviously not. Easy and unregulated access to them is.

 

[Stoked]

Obviously not. Easy and unregulated access to them is.

Unregulated is another falsehood. Now you might argue under regulated but unregulated is false. Background checks, ban on assault rifles for example.

 

[Miggs]

While this is true, I think you will be hard pressed to find an instance where this was a cause of death or injury. The rare event I can think of would be a misfire that fires later on. Any responsible individual should be aware of this and taught how to handle it. I've had several misfires (including in a muzzle loader, which is much more dangerous to clear than a cartridge).

True Story. My dad used to run marathons very competitively years ago. On one long 20+ mile training run, he happened to come across a hunter with his muzzle loader. Now, keep in mind, I grew up on the edge of millions of acres of forest in the Pine Barrens and this is where this incident occurred. Anyhow, my father, the smartass that he is, as he ran by, said, "Ya huntin' a screwy wabbit?" in his best Elmer Fudd voice. Needless to say, maybe a second or two after, he was scared ****less, realizing this guy could shoot, kill him, and dispose of his body in the middle of nowhere, no one having a clue as to what happened.

 

[The Midnight]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wqfcwgT0Ds

Kiwi band... cool.

 

[Scorpjazz]

Didn't, and I'm not going to, read the whole thread right now...
But damn, Kerr lost a lot of respect I had for him. His whole rant was full of ignorant talking points no where near based in reality. So many untruths in such a short rant, its hard to start. I get his whole story and why he is passionate about his misguided cause..but get somewhat educated on a subject before emotionally ranting. Wow...

 

[Lakers_Slapper]

Lol these responses are hilarious. Even to someone that owns more guns than I'll ever need or use. Everyone is ripping Kerr for his beliefs. I may not agree with everything he's saying but I'm not going to lash out like that. He has his beliefs and that is what makes America great. He's not an idiot like some have said, he spoke his mind and it took guts. Good for him. At least he has a backbone. Just because people don't share your opinion doesn't make them an idiot. If your calling anyone an idiot while your sitting in the basement bedroom of your mother's house, that you need to look in the mirror for the idiot definition.

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[RandyForRubio]

Lol these responses are hilarious. Even to someone that owns more guns than I'll ever need or use. Everyone is ripping Kerr for his beliefs. I may not agree with everything he's saying but I'm not going to lash out like that. He has his beliefs and that is what makes America great. He's not an idiot like some have said, he spoke his mind and it took guts. Good for him. At least he has a backbone. Just because people don't share your opinion doesn't make them an idiot. If your calling anyone an idiot while your sitting in the basement bedroom of your mother's house, that you need to look in the mirror for the idiot definition.

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It's not that he doesn't share my opinion. That's fine. Lots of people don't. It's the lack of facts and knowledge in his takes that bother me. I just wish people were more educated on the stances they're talking about.

 

[Stoked]

It's not that he doesn't share my opinion. That's fine. Lots of people don't. It's the lack of facts and knowledge in his takes that bother me. I just wish people were more educated on the stances they're talking about.

If that happened than half the posters on here would have to stop talking about the Jazz.

 

[MVP]

Unregulated is another falsehood. Now you might argue under regulated but unregulated is false. Background checks, ban on assault rifles for example.

The point is - it is way to easy to for regular joe shmo to buy a gun in USA.

 

[Stoked]

The point is - it is way to easy to for regular joe shmo to buy a gun in USA.

It's fine you feel that way. But it is not something that will change nationally any time soon.

 

[bigb]

The point is - it is way to easy to for regular joe shmo to buy a gun in USA.

I disagree. It is WAY TOO EASY for a mentally unstable person, or a person with bad intentions to get a gun. I have no problem with regular joe shmo having a gun.

 

[Gameface]

I disagree. It is WAY TOO EASY for a mentally unstable person, or a person with bad intentions to get a gun. I have no problem with regular joe shmo having a gun.

Many people go from being a regular Joe Shmo to being mentally unstable.

 

[bigb]

Many people go from being a regular Joe Shmo to being mentally unstable.

Yeah, I know. That's why I've said I really don't know what the answer to the problem is. I really don't.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

True Story. My dad used to run marathons very competitively years ago. On one long 20+ mile training run, he happened to come across a hunter with his muzzle loader. Now, keep in mind, I grew up on the edge of millions of acres of forest in the Pine Barrens and this is where this incident occurred. Anyhow, my father, the smartass that he is, as he ran by, said, "Ya huntin' a screwy wabbit?" in his best Elmer Fudd voice. Needless to say, maybe a second or two after, he was scared ****less, realizing this guy could shoot, kill him, and dispose of his body in the middle of nowhere, no one having a clue as to what happened.

Did he?

 

[franklin]

True Story. My dad used to run marathons very competitively years ago. On one long 20+ mile training run, he happened to come across a hunter with his muzzle loader. Now, keep in mind, I grew up on the edge of millions of acres of forest in the Pine Barrens and this is where this incident occurred. Anyhow, my father, the smartass that he is, as he ran by, said, "Ya huntin' a screwy wabbit?" in his best Elmer Fudd voice. Needless to say, maybe a second or two after, he was scared ****less, realizing this guy could shoot, kill him, and dispose of his body in the middle of nowhere, no one having a clue as to what happened.

I've never been remotely worried about hunters in the woods, but there is an old saying out here: Why do hunters all wave to each other? Because they all have guns.

 

[franklin]

If we are at the point of telling dumb stories...

When I was 16 I went archery hunting with a friend. That was illegal for a minor at the time but that's beside the point. I was driving out of a one way dirt road and almost near the top when three cute lil tiny s-10 Chevies pulled down. I stopped, they stopped. The wife in the passenger seat immediately started screaming. I thought this bitch was going to eat her way through the windshield.

I couldn't back down 4 miles. It's impossible and they only had about 50 yards of simple back up. When this hoebag started yelling through the windshield I put my head out the window and said "back the **** up". Oops. Bitch continues screaming but surprisingly they backed up. At the top of the hill, Mr. Douche wants to have a discussion so young franklin pulls over for him and what were likely his two 25-ish suns behind him.

The guy is approaching me angrily and one of his son gets out brandishing a 44 mag and shoves it down his backside. I panicked and punched that ****er in the throat and dropped the clutch and nearly ran his *** over.


I felt bad for a while that I nearly killed someone, even though that grown man thought it was reasonable to approach a child in the middle of nowhere with his adult children. Coincidentally, this guy just happened to be in my LDS stake (I say coincidentally because I was about 2 hours from home instead of in the nearby hills). I went to a Saturday youth basketball game and it turns out that guy and his family were such assholes that nearly everyone there wanted to beat the hell out of them. It generally takes quite a bit for LDS people to lose there cool inside a ward house like that. After that I wished I had backed up.