What's new
By:

Steve Kerr's Passionate Personal Stand on Gun Control

fishonjazz said:
I think that if you don't know the ins and outs of all things gun, you can still have an opinion about them and how you think they should be regulated.
Click to expand...

Agreed. I think it's fine if people advocate for tighter access to guns, restrictions on other things gun related, but many of the proposals are technical in nature and show a significant amount of ignorance in regard to how guns work, gun culture in the U.S., and what effect those regulations will actually have. Typically the proposed regulations are removed from the problem they are supposed to solve by several orders of magnitude.

That's why I've always said that gun regulations in places like California and New York City, and many of the proposed regulations are like Utah's liquor laws.

They are being made by people who are not familiar with the item being regulated. And these people consider the item to be evil and unnecessary.
 
Gameface said:
Agreed. I think it's fine if people advocate for tighter access to guns, restrictions on other things gun related, but many of the proposals are technical in nature and show a significant amount of ignorance in regard to how guns work, gun culture in the U.S., and what effect those regulations will actually have. Typically the proposed regulations are removed from the problem they are supposed to solve by several orders of magnitude.

That's why I've always said that gun regulations in places like California and New York City, and many of the proposed regulations are like Utah's liquor laws.

They are being made by people who are not familiar with the item being regulated. And these people consider the item to be evil and unnecessary.
Click to expand...
Ya, Steve kerr isn't making any laws so I think it's fine if he has an opinion.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya, Steve kerr isn't making any laws so I think it's fine if he has an opinion.
Click to expand...

And GF and I agree with you. The problem is that this opinion is factually incorrect and is shared by some that do make the laws.

One of the ways to help people form fact based opinions, even if their opinion is in opposition to our own, is by correctly stating the facts.

But yes. Kerr is as entitled to his opinion as I am mine.
 
Stoked said:
From the article I get the strong impression that this man was careless with his firearms. That is never a good idea. Sad to see.
Click to expand...
Pretty much.
 
I do think it's funny that some people think that only dummies or irresponsible people have accidents with guns.

I have seen multiple videos of gun experts teaching gun safety classes who shoot themselves.

I almost get the feeling that some people think that guns are not dangerous if you are just smart and responsible with your guns. The "that would/could never happen to me" people.
 
fishonjazz said:
I do think it's funny that some people think that only dummies or irresponsible people have accidents with guns.

I have seen multiple videos of gun experts teaching gun safety classes who shoot themselves.

I almost get the feeling that some people think that guns are not dangerous if you are just smart and responsible with your guns. The "that would/could never happen to me" people.
Click to expand...

What I see is a person that is intimately familiar with firearms and gets careless with them. It's human nature, we all take our eye off the ball sometimes. Unfortunately with firearms that it often leads to injury or death.
 
Stoked said:
What I see is a person that is intimately familiar with firearms and gets careless with them. It's human nature, we all take our eye off the ball sometimes. Unfortunately with firearms that it often leads to injury or death.
Click to expand...
I think that sometimes even when you are not careless you can have an accident. Sometimes a gun can function improperly due to no fault of the user imo.

Sorry to have said that a gun can be bad without a bad person using it. I know how people hate that.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think that sometimes even when you are not careless you can have an accident. Sometimes a gun can function improperly due to no fault of the user imo.

Sorry to have said that a gun can be bad without a bad person using it. I know how people hate that.
Click to expand...

A gun isn't "bad" or "good". But I will agree that it is a potentially dangerous object.
 
fishonjazz said:
I do think it's funny that some people think that only dummies or irresponsible people have accidents with guns.

I have seen multiple videos of gun experts teaching gun safety classes who shoot themselves.

I almost get the feeling that some people think that guns are not dangerous if you are just smart and responsible with your guns. The "that would/could never happen to me" people.
Click to expand...

This is a great point and one that responsible gun owners constantly push.

Whenever the accidental gun death anti-gun argument is brought up I am compelled to remind everyone that as many people die by accidentally falling out of bed or accidentally falling down stairs. Far, far more die from "noxious substances", which as far as I can tell are household chemicals. By far, the leading cause of "accidental" death is automobile accidents.

Responsibility does not stop at the doorstep of gun ownership.
 
fishonjazz said:
Sometimes a gun can function improperly due to no fault of the user imo.
Click to expand...

While this is true, I think you will be hard pressed to find an instance where this was a cause of death or injury. The rare event I can think of would be a misfire that fires later on. Any responsible individual should be aware of this and taught how to handle it. I've had several misfires (including in a muzzle loader, which is much more dangerous to clear than a cartridge).
 
One separate final point: I really wish this country would address the systemic issues that create our violence culture rather than focusing on issues that are easy to trump up like guns. Take away our guns and you will not cure the American violence problem.

I don't know why but that simple point is so difficult for some to comprehend. Can anyone explain it to me?
 
franklin said:
One separate final point: I really wish this country would address the systemic issues that create our violence culture rather than focusing on issues that are easy to trump up like guns. Take away our guns and you will not cure the American violence problem.

I don't know why but that simple point is so difficult for some to comprehend. Can anyone explain it to me?
Click to expand...
Sadly most issues we face our leaders are not trying to solve. They are trying to politicise them. Mental health care and many other issues are a much larger factor in mass shootings than the weapon.
 
franklin said:
One separate final point: I really wish this country would address the systemic issues that create our violence culture rather than focusing on issues that are easy to trump up like guns. Take away our guns and you will not cure the American violence problem.

I don't know why but that simple point is so difficult for some to comprehend. Can anyone explain it to me?
Click to expand...
I think if you were to be able to take away guns (I think that is impossible btw) that there would be less deaths. Guns are the most efficient and easiest way for most people to kill.

If there were no guns there would still be people that would commit or attempt to commit murder but I might be able to fight off a knife wielding *******. I would have less of a chance versus a dude with a firearm.
 
franklin said:
One separate final point: I really wish this country would address the systemic issues that create our violence culture rather than focusing on issues that are easy to trump up like guns. Take away our guns and you will not cure the American violence problem.

I don't know why but that simple point is so difficult for some to comprehend. Can anyone explain it to me?
Click to expand...

So, I swear this isn't an attempt at a leading question of any kind-- I'm genuinely under-informed of the answer to this:

What systematic issues do we have in the U.S. that countries without this level of gun-related violence do not have? And WHY do they not have our systematic problems?

I'm sure that's a very involved answer. Super-interested in the response(s).
 
olden_undercover said:
So, I swear this isn't an attempt at a leading question of any kind-- I'm genuinely under-informed of the answer to this:

What systematic issues do we have in the U.S. that countries without this level of gun-related violence do not have? And WHY do they not have our systematic problems?

I'm sure that's a very involved answer. Super-interested in the response(s).
Click to expand...
As I stated earlier in this thread, I agree with [MENTION=578]franklin[/MENTION]. Guns are not the root of gun related deaths.
As to your question here, I honestly don't know. What is it about our society that is the trigger that isn't prevalent in other countries/societies?
 
fishonjazz said:
I do think it's funny that some people think that only dummies or irresponsible people have accidents with guns.

I have seen multiple videos of gun experts teaching gun safety classes who shoot themselves.

I almost get the feeling that some people think that guns are not dangerous if you are just smart and responsible with your guns. The "that would/could never happen to me" people.
Click to expand...
It may have come across that I think only morons have accidental firings of a gun. I know that's not the case. But I do think there is a big difference in someone assuming a weapon isn't ready to fire and pulling the trigger vs. someone carrying a loaded firearm around in a duffel bag. Person B is an idiot. Person A had a momentary lapse in awareness.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top