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Steve Kerr's Passionate Personal Stand on Gun Control

Joe Bagadonuts said:
The two main reasons (which you have probably already heard a million times so I'm not sure why you're asking me) are that Americans consider the right to bear arms a huge deal. Every time there is any indication that this right might be impinged upon gun sales spike. The second is that there are so many guns in circulation that criminals will always be able to get one, no matter how many laws you make against it. So the only people who would be disarmed are the law abiding citizens.
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So what are you saying that USA made a mess and does not want to clean it. Gotcha.
 
MVP said:
So what are you saying that USA made a mess and does not want to clean it. Gotcha.
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I don't think that America doesn't want to fix it, I think that they can't..... Or at least they think they can't. (I tend to agree)
 
MVP said:
So what are you saying that USA made a mess and does not want to clean it. Gotcha.
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I'm saying that the USA is a country where we would rather give the citizens liberty and punish the criminals than the other way around. You're right that it doesn't work perfectly, though.
 
Seriously, I understand that there is quite a bit of work involved in fixing gun problem but you got to start somewhere. If you stop selling guns and start eventually confiscating it from criminals numbers will start dropping. Yes there will be some contraband but eventually in 20, 30, 50 years or so you will be looking back at this period and saying why we did not do it before? It would be very hard for regular mateens, holmeses and other nutbars to get a hand on a attack rifles capable of killing multiple people. Just do it.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I'm saying that the USA is a country where we would rather give the citizens liberty and punish the criminals than the other way around.
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It leads to USA being on top in the world in gun related crimes. Terrible result. Time to change it.
 
#bern said:
You can't find one example [MENTION=848]dalamon[/MENTION]? And you can't come here and admit it either?

Bad look.
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I doubt there are many, namely because semi-automatic weapons are much easier to use for amateur gun owners. I bet you, with limited ammunition, a person could kill more people with a semi-auto AK than a fully automatic one
 
dalamon said:
I doubt there are many, namely because semi-automatic weapons are much easier to use for amateur gun owners. I bet you, with limited ammunition, a person could kill more people with a semi-auto AK than a fully automatic one
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So no, you couldn't find one instance of somebody modifying a semi-automatic into a fully automatic weapon to kill somebody. That wasn't so hard, was it?
 
US based gun owners, if destination law would permit, would you bring your gun(s) to:
1. Some famous turist destination in Europe or Asia a la Paris, Toscana, Tokyo, Hong Kong.
2. Mt Everest or K2 basecamp, also to the summit.
3. Rocky Mountains.

I am asking this, because in another forum somebody asked for advice, that which hand gun is easy to carry around. Of course, the usual pro-gun/anti-gun debate break out. I understood, that being a US citizen, it is not somebody's else business why he wants a handgun. However, he answered, and one of those answers was, that he needs it while hiking alone in Rocky Mountains.
Therefore i have a (probably dumb) question that why could be useful to carry a gun while hiking in US? Are the national parks in US more dangerous than Mt Everest, K2, Mt Lenin etc basecamps, where IMHO only a really stupid person would carry a gun while trying to conquer a summit.
 
lauriandres said:
US based gun owners, if destination law would permit, would you bring your gun(s) to:
1. Some famous turist destination in Europe or Asia a la Paris, Toscana, Tokyo, Hong Kong.
2. Mt Everest or K2 basecamp, also to the summit.
3. Rocky Mountains.

I am asking this, because in another forum somebody asked for advice, that which hand gun is easy to carry around. Of course, the usual pro-gun/anti-gun debate break out. I understood, that being a US citizen, it is not somebody's else business why he wants a handgun. However, he answered, and one of those answers was, that he needs it while hiking alone in Rocky Mountains.
Therefore i have a (probably dumb) question that why could be useful to carry a gun while hiking in US? Are the national parks in US more dangerous than Mt Everest, K2, Mt Lenin etc basecamps, where IMHO only a really stupid person would carry a gun while trying to conquer a summit.
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I got about 10 feet from a bear while hiking (fishing) a few years back.
I kind of wished I had a gun right then in case it attacked.

I now usually carry bear mace with me when I hike/fish but I can understand someone wanting to carry a gun instead.
 
lauriandres said:
US based gun owners, if destination law would permit, would you bring your gun(s) to:
1. Some famous turist destination in Europe or Asia a la Paris, Toscana, Tokyo, Hong Kong.
2. Mt Everest or K2 basecamp, also to the summit.
3. Rocky Mountains.

I am asking this, because in another forum somebody asked for advice, that which hand gun is easy to carry around. Of course, the usual pro-gun/anti-gun debate break out. I understood, that being a US citizen, it is not somebody's else business why he wants a handgun. However, he answered, and one of those answers was, that he needs it while hiking alone in Rocky Mountains.
Therefore i have a (probably dumb) question that why could be useful to carry a gun while hiking in US? Are the national parks in US more dangerous than Mt Everest, K2, Mt Lenin etc basecamps, where IMHO only a really stupid person would carry a gun while trying to conquer a summit.
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K2 and Everest are entirely different than hiking around the Rocky Mountains. I've literally stumbled onto feeding moose while hiking/snowshoeing in the mountains around here. If one of them were to charge, I'd want a gun. There are many mountain lions around here. Bears are in these mountains as well. When I hike, I carry.
 
fishonjazz said:
I got about 10 feet from a bear while hiking (fishing) a few years back.
I kind of wished I had a gun right then in case it attacked.

I now usually carry bear mace with me when I hike/fish but I can understand someone wanting to carry a gun instead.
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Well, i have an assumption (based on the Karl May "Winnetou" novel :-) ) that neither American Brown bear or grizzly won't notice at all the wounds that are caused by the bullets used in the handgun? Only if you hit the eyes, then you have chance to escape (if the bear is pissed off).
 
bigb said:
K2 and Everest are entirely different than hiking around the Rocky Mountains. I've literally stumbled onto feeding moose while hiking/snowshoeing in the mountains around here. If one of them were to charge, I'd want a gun. There are many mountain lions around here. Bears are in these mountains as well. When I hike, I carry.
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Are you saying that while hiking in Rockies, then it is probably easier to encounter a bear, mountain lion or other animals instead of (of course never say never)serial killer or other armed loonies?
But would you bother carry it with you while skiing in Vail, Aspen and other US ski resorts?
 
lauriandres said:
Are you saying that while hiking in Rockies, then it is probably easier to encounter a bear, mountain lion or other animals instead of (of course never say never)serial killer or other armed loonies?
But would you bother carry it with you while skiing in Vail, Aspen and other US ski resorts?
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I should have been more specific. I usually carry anyway. If I'm in the mountains, I'm carrying. Period.
 
lauriandres said:
Well, i have an assumption (based on the Karl May "Winnetou" novel :-) ) that neither American Brown bear or grizzly won't notice at all the wounds that are caused by the bullets used in the handgun? Only if you hit the eyes, then you have chance to escape (if the bear is pissed off).
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You'd be surprised. I mean, a 9mm won't do you much good, but if you're carrying a 44 mag (that's my bear gun), then you should be alright if you load your ammo right.
 
dalamon said:
I doubt there are many, namely because semi-automatic weapons are much easier to use for amateur gun owners. I bet you, with limited ammunition, a person could kill more people with a semi-auto AK than a fully automatic one
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Several things.

1) I'm not asking for many, I'm asking for one. Just one. You came up with the argument, your responsibility to not talk out of your ***.

2) you're changing the argument, because you're wrong. Quit moving the goalposts.

3) Why should ammo be a limiting factor? It isn't in most cases.

4) If you really think a semi-auto will be more deadly than a full auto, please check yourself out of this thread and admit your ignorance.
 
lauriandres said:
Well, i have an assumption (based on the Karl May "Winnetou" novel :-) ) that neither American Brown bear or grizzly won't notice at all the wounds that are caused by the bullets used in the handgun? Only if you hit the eyes, then you have chance to escape (if the bear is pissed off).
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Usually you can shoot a gun straight up in the air and it will scare the bear. So there is that purpose.

Also, which do you think a bear would notice more? Getting shot by a gun, punched by a fist, hit with a stick, having a rock thrown at them?

I think they notice getting shot with a gun more than the other things. I would definitely rather fight a bear with a gun than a stick or something.
 
#bern said:
So no, you couldn't find one instance of somebody modifying a semi-automatic into a fully automatic weapon to kill somebody. That wasn't so hard, was it?
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Searched modified AR-15 mass sbooting, and this came up instantly.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/rifles...o-shooting-illegal-under-state-law-1449201057

It's very obvious that people would modify them more frequently if it was actually of huge use. But with smaller magazine sizes and amount that u can carry on u (I.e. Limited munitions) and the difficulty of controlling a rapid-shooting rifle to ppl outside of the military, it makes it quite obvious why there isn't a huge desire for modification. Mass murderers aren't morons. Google gives you thousands of hits on how to make commonly accessible rifles fully automatic.

The point here is that it can be done, though.
 
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