great off season so far. my expectation is getting higher!!
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Both moves were incredible in my opinion. My favorite lineup didn't have a point guard in it last year. I liked the Burks, Hayward, and Hood point guard committee. I think we are top 4 in the west as constructed, and have as versatile a team as there is. If Exum comes along offensively as expected, we can challenge anyone. If Lyles comes back more disciplined defensively and Favors isn't affected by back issues the sky is the limit. We were already getting a lot better just having Exum, Burks, and a fresh Gobert coming back. Having JJ changes my opinion of the Jazz ability to win close games. With the team they've put together, there will be fewer close games. The Jazz are going to be really, really, good. The injury thing should balance out this year, so I'm thinking less than 25 player games lost to injury. Also, I don't drink.
??? The Suns, Celtics and Blazers all traded future picks. I didn't say the picks received had to be next year, just that it would be nice if they were since we have so much ammo for that draft already.
framer
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Fairly certain that we are not going to be adding six players to the team next year. A percentage of those seconds are going to be converted to future seconds. A second round pick next year will be far more valuable than a second round pick this year. Sometimes people just aren't buying what you are selling and the asset gets burned. Most second round picks actually turn out this way.
NAOS
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NAOS
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like a fly to flypaper. Scat pays more attention to how dudes are dressed than anybody I know (digitally or IRL)
framer
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Maxing Mike Conley is a whole different thing than maxing Hayward. How many teams other than the Grizzlies would have maxed Mike Conley? I'm very certain Hayward would have received numerous max offers were he available. Even then, Conley is still tradable at his numbers as long as he doesn't lay an egg.
Again, this situation is exactly analogous to the James Harden situation. How did letting a star go for almost nothing work out for them? They ended up having to give Kanter the money they tried to save by sending him away.
It's not the same to the Harden situation at all. For all of Harden's faults on defense he is an elite scorer. A true star, someone who can takeover a game. And the Thunder were a contender with or without him because they had two other stars on their team at the time he left.
Hayward, as good as he is, isn't elite at anything. He's not the type to take over games. He's very good, but not a star. We aren't a contender with him or without him as it stands right now. Very different situations.
And I'm not saying let him walk for nothing. I'm saying make a move before it's too late.
I think it has been a great off season so far. DL gets an A and now all he has to do is clean up the PG position by getting some more assets. I was a little bummed about giving away the 12th pick but after pondering the decision, I love the idea. Jazz don't need any more young players especially with next years draft.
The Jazz got to proven vets with good reputation as solid pros. Hill is replacing two back up type players so we are automatically better at the PG position and when you throw in Exum coming back. That is like worth 4-5 more win easily. Now one could argue that Booker minutes are going to go to Lyles which is an improvement overall. Can't wait to see Lyles in SL.
Now Joe Johnson is in the mix and he is going to take C. Johnson, Ingles and even Booker minutes so more improve at this position. Man I am so excited about this year.
The Jazz got to proven vets with good reputation as solid pros. Hill is replacing two back up type players so we are automatically better at the PG position and when you throw in Exum coming back. That is like worth 4-5 more win easily. Now one could argue that Booker minutes are going to go to Lyles which is an improvement overall. Can't wait to see Lyles in SL.
Now Joe Johnson is in the mix and he is going to take C. Johnson, Ingles and even Booker minutes so more improve at this position. Man I am so excited about this year.
Douchebag K
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Have you looked at his stats from the playoffs ?
And you are I'm sure aware of his isolation and end of game prowess ?
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Gonna enjoy all the crazy crossovers all season.
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Your argument would make sense if it weren't for the fact that the salary cap is going from $70 million last year to over 94 million this year and then likely up to 107 million next year. Salaries are being inflated across the board. Who's to say what 30-35 million even buys anymore? Spend five minutes looking at the contracts that have been agreed to in the last few days and try to justify again how the Jazz just let Hayward go. It's a different world now as far as salaries go. We all knew it was coming with that TV deal, but it's still surprising to see those numbers come in.
TheStormofWar
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I'll give DL an A. He acquired George Hill for the #12 pick (in a draft I wasn't enamored with) and traded Burke to open time for Exum. To me, these were good moves because they addressed a point of concern without breaking the bank. The fact we got something for Burke without eating a contract in return or waiving him is all good by me. Hill can knock a three, has big game experience, and is a fine defender. Dude also happens to like Coach Q? Yeah, sign my *** up.
I think at least, to me, it has a positive psychological effect. As much as I respect Burke's professionalism, he was still a "dude" of this guy:
Rather than this guy:
And yes, I understand several other players were also "Corbin" guys, but I have an irrational hatred of Corbin as a coach. Just let me have this, okay?
JJ's signing adds depth where we needed it and gives punch to our 2nd unit with a guy who knows how to close games. In comparison to some of the other deals this offseason, he didn't break the bank to do it as it's a short term and comparatively easy to swallow deal.
I'm perfectly fine with those moves. He's gotten very good talent that wants to be here while maintaining financial flexibility for future considerations. It also sends a very clear message that rebuilding is over. We are going to try and win now.
I think at least, to me, it has a positive psychological effect. As much as I respect Burke's professionalism, he was still a "dude" of this guy:
Rather than this guy:
And yes, I understand several other players were also "Corbin" guys, but I have an irrational hatred of Corbin as a coach. Just let me have this, okay?
JJ's signing adds depth where we needed it and gives punch to our 2nd unit with a guy who knows how to close games. In comparison to some of the other deals this offseason, he didn't break the bank to do it as it's a short term and comparatively easy to swallow deal.
I'm perfectly fine with those moves. He's gotten very good talent that wants to be here while maintaining financial flexibility for future considerations. It also sends a very clear message that rebuilding is over. We are going to try and win now.
Jazz are thrilled with Hood. Burks would be on his way out before Hood.
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Salary cap could also go down in a few years. (In fact have seen posts from very knowledgeable posters saying that the cap is expected to actually go down again in a few years)