Baton Rouge Police Killing a 37-year-old black man at point blank range

[Boris]

You're welcome for the help. I know who he is too.

"Don't believe mainstream media, believe this obviously bias website named conservative treehouse"

"Ignore facts because website name"

 

[Gameface]

In Hack's world any crime deserves death if the perpetrated chooses so. Not kidding either, pretty sure he has advocated for that.

I'll stop talking to him then. That's beyond disgusting and horrific imho.

 

[Boris]

I'll stop talking to him then. That's beyond disgusting and horrific imho.

What I get from your stance on bothe these circumstance is that police responding to armed citizens acting not responsibly the police should not use discression an caution.

 

[JazzGal]

I only want to know the truth, whatever that is. It is so easy to find "evidence" that fits your own bias and will give you the outcome you desire.

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[moevillini]

You would also have to get the statistics and keep in mind that black people commit a huge amount of the crimes in the country to compared to whites as well. And cops seem to **** with minorities more than white people (at least that is the perception) so it seems that there would be more opportunities for more minorities to get shot by the po po

Lots of other variables involved. I just found the raw data interesting.

It's not even close. IIRC blacks are about 10 times more likely to commit murder than whites. The reason for it has everything to do with our history and us continuing to send so many young black men to crime school(prison). That said, it is just factually incorrect to state that blacks as a group do not commit significantly more crime.

Oh my god, where do some of you get your "facts"?
"...black people commit a huge amount of the crimes compared to whites..."
"..blacks are about 10 times more likely to commit murder than whites..."
(yes, in this category, they are arrested a bit more frequently, but it's closer to a 1-1 ratio than anything)

(click on the image for an enlarged view)

Here's a link to a chart from the FBI on arrest statistics by race
(for 2013, most recent available I guess)
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43

It shows that of all arrests for all crimes, approx. 69% are white and 28% are black and 3% other
(Hispanic is not listed as a race but as an ethnicity, if you go to the link and scroll to the left, it shows that approximately 16.6% are Hispanic/Latino and 83.4% are non-Hispanic/non-Latino. )
The image above breaks it down by type of crime.

Here's a link to the overview for all the statistical tables (they're also by geographical area, by population density and other categories):
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/persons-arrested/persons-arrested


also note:

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program counts one arrest for each separate instance in which a person is arrested, cited, or summoned for an offense. The UCR Program collects arrest data on 28 offenses, as described in Offense Definitions. (Please note that, beginning in 2010, the UCR Program no longer collected data on runaways.) Because a person may be arrested multiple times during a year, the UCR arrest figures do not reflect the number of individuals who have been arrested; rather, the arrest data show the number of times that persons are arrested, as reported by law enforcement agencies to the UCR Program.
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Overview

• Nationwide, law enforcement made an estimated 11,302,102 arrests in 2013. Of these arrests, 480,360 were for violent crimes, and 1,559,284 were for property crimes. (Note: the UCR Program does not collect data on citations for traffic violations.)
• The highest number of arrests were for drug abuse violations (estimated at 1,501,043 arrests), larceny-theft (estimated at 1,231,580), and driving under the influence (estimated at 1,166,824). (See Table 29.)
• The estimated arrest rate for the United States in 2013 was 3,690.5 arrests per 100,000 inhabitants. The arrest rate for violent crime (including murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault) was 159.8 per 100,000 inhabitants, and the arrest rate for property crime (burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson) was 513.2 per 100,000 inhabitants. (See Table 30.)
• Two-year arrest trends show violent crime arrests declined 3.9 percent in 2013 when compared with 2012 arrests, and property crime arrests decreased 2.9 percent when compared with 2012 arrests.
• Arrests of juveniles for all offenses decreased 15.5 percent in 2013 when compared with the 2012 number; arrests of adults decreased 3.7 percent. (See Table 36.)
• More than 73 percent (73.5) of the persons arrested in the nation during 2013 were males. They accounted for 79.9 percent of persons arrested for violent crime and 62.2 percent of persons arrested for property crime. (See Table 42.)
• In 2013, 68.9 percent of all persons arrested were white, 28.3 percent were black, and the remaining 2.9 percent were of other races. (See Table 43.)

Expanded arrest data

Expanded data about arrests include information about the age, gender, and race of the arrestees. These data are available in the following tables:

Age: Tables 32, 34, 36, 38, 39, 40, 41, 44, 46, 47, 50, 52, 53, 56, 58, 59, 62, 64, and 65

Gender: Tables 33, 35, 37, 39, 40, 42, 45, 48, 51, 54, 57, 60, 63, and 66

Race: Tables 43, 49, 55, 61, and 67

So i tried to upload an picture from the washington post showing the statistics for police shooting so far this year but i am unable to load it.
Anywho... There were 509 police shootings that resulted in civilian deaths from the start of this year up until july.
484 were male. 25 female. 238 were white. 123 were black. 79 hispanic. 46 unknown. 23 other race. 282 of the victims had a gun on them. 88 had knife. 35 were in a vehicle as their "weapon". 22 had a toy weapon. 35 were unarmed. 27 unknown. 20 other. 385 showed no signs or had history of mental illness. 124 of them did.

So the most common person shot by a policeman is a white male with no mental problems carrying a gun.

I found that to be interesting.

Btw. I didn't really have a point or agenda with that post. (After all there are way more white people in the country than any other race) just found it interesting.

The US population is about 62% white, 12% black, 18% Hispanic, 6% Asian, 1% Native Amer., 2% 2 or more races

https://kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity/#table
This Census Bureau LINK explains how race is defined.

 

[Gameface]

What I get from your stance on bothe these circumstance is that police responding to armed citizens acting not responsibly the police should not use discression an caution.

Yeah, you'd be wrong... again.

 

[Red]

I always check Snopes at times like this.....

https://www.snopes.com/philando-castile-was-not-wanted-for-armed-robbery/

(My apologies JazzGal, I had not noticed that you had already posted this link)

 

[The Thriller]

What are your thoughts on this? Does Giuliani raise some valid points? It's only a few mins long...

https://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/rudy-giuliani-talks-policing-protests/

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'll stop talking to him then. That's beyond disgusting and horrific imho.

I definitely hyperboled it, but he basically feels that way for anything above petty crime.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I only want to know the truth, whatever that is. It is so easy to find "evidence" that fits your own bias and will give you the outcome you desire.

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Especially in today's media cycle. One person says something on twitter, it's get retweeted thousands of times, then some small news site runs with it and sometimes even big sites and "mainstream" media run with it without taking the time to fact check. Everyone wants views or they want to spread something that fits their views.

 

[JazzGal]

What are your thoughts on this? Does Giuliani raise some valid points? It's only a few mins long...

https://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/rudy-giuliani-talks-policing-protests/

While some of Giuliani's points are valid, they were not on point. For example, he spent most of the time talking about how blacks kill each other more than cops kill blacks. Yes, of course, just as whites kill whites more than cops kill whites, or whites kill blacks or blacks kill whites. What did that have to go with the conversation? No one is arguing that cops kill people more that non-cops kill each other.

Whenever any says "All Lives Matter" and that "Black Lives Matter" is racist, I am concerned. There is not an "only" in front of BLM. The BLM group does not seem to be saying that black lives matter more than anyone else's (I'm not speaking for them, but this is my perception), but many people respond as if they did. This seems to be the fallback position for the majority whenever a minority group expresses a sense of being discriminated against.

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[fishonjazz]

The US population is about 62% white, 12% black, 18% Hispanic, 6% Asian, 1% Native Amer., 2% 2 or more races

Ya I acknowledged that right in my post. Note the part of my post in parentheses.

Btw. I didn't really have a point or agenda with that post. (After all there are way more white people in the country than any other race) just found it interesting.

 

[Siro]

I definitely hyperboled it, but he basically feels that way for anything above petty crime.

How does he feel about Jews and homosexuals?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

"Ignore facts because website name"

If a website name was "JewsSuckNewsRoom.com" would you trust their news reporting on Jewish subjects?

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

While some of Giuliani's points are valid, they were not on point. For example, he spent most of the time talking about how blacks kill each other more than cops kill blacks. Yes, of course, just as whites kill whites more than cops kill whites, or whites kill blacks or blacks kill whites. What did that have to go with the conversation? No one is arguing that cops kill people more that non-cops kill each other.

Whenever any says "All Lives Matter" and that "Black Lives Matter" is racist, I am concerned. There is not an "only" in front of BLM. The BLM group does not seem to be saying that black lives matter more than anyone else's (I'm not speaking for them, but this is my perception), but many people respond as if they did. This seems to be the fallback position for the majority whenever a minority group expresses a sense of being discriminated against.

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Its like going to a breast cancer fundraiser and crying that they aren't talking about some other cancer.

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[Siro]

Oh my god, where do some of you get your "facts"?
"...black people commit a huge amount of the crimes compared to whites..."
"..blacks are about 10 times more likely to commit murder than whites..."
(yes, in this category, they are arrested a bit more frequently, but it's closer to a 1-1 ratio than anything)

View attachment 4867(click on the image for an enlarged view)

Here's a link to a chart from the FBI on arrest statistics by race
(for 2013, most recent available I guess)
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43

It shows that of all arrests for all crimes, approx. 69% are white and 28% are black and 3% other
(Hispanic is not listed as a race but as an ethnicity, if you go to the link and scroll to the left, it shows that approximately 16.6% are Hispanic/Latino and 83.4% are non-Hispanic/non-Latino. )
The image above breaks it down by type of crime.

Here's a link to the overview for all the statistical tables (they're also by geographical area, by population density and other categories):
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/persons-arrested/persons-arrested


also note:






The US population is about 62% white, 12% black, 18% Hispanic, 6% Asian, 1% Native Amer., 2% 2 or more races

https://kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity/#table
This Census Bureau LINK explains how race is defined.

I don't understand. Given your numbers, blacks are arrested more than twice as often as whites. Not 1:1.

 

[Boris]

While some of Giuliani's points are valid, they were not on point. For example, he spent most of the time talking about how blacks kill each other more than cops kill blacks. Yes, of course, just as whites kill whites more than cops kill whites, or whites kill blacks or blacks kill whites. What did that have to go with the conversation? No one is arguing that cops kill people more that non-cops kill each other.

Whenever any says "All Lives Matter" and that "Black Lives Matter" is racist, I am concerned. There is not an "only" in front of BLM. The BLM group does not seem to be saying that black lives matter more than anyone else's (I'm not speaking for them, but this is my perception), but many people respond as if they did. This seems to be the fallback position for the majority whenever a minority group expresses a sense of being discriminated against.

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Okay I get your reaction but I do not think you interpret Gulliani. He was mayor for a place that had high crime an he did a lot to solve it. Ask New Yorkers. All they care about in mayors is results. Not politics. Guilliani gave them reasonable, well thought out results.

Gulliani was not making point you are portraying. He was making the point that violence, an hence the deep seeded police actions, are the larger issue here. I agree with his sentiment entirely an wish we could solve this together.

 

[reignman40]

That's the root of all american gun related death problems. If he had no rights to carry a firearm this all situation would have never happened. Now every ****head has a gun and police is shooting anybody without hesitation because they are afraid of being shot every day they are doing their jobs. Your freedom for guns is rotting, stupid system which should be banished into history's oblivion long time ago.

Having said that the guy who pulled the trigger should never work as policeman again after he hopefully serves some hefty sentence and should have no right to own a gun. Knowing USA this is not going to happen and he will be a danger to society in the future as well. Retired idiot like him killed a guy in movie theatre arguing about texting.

https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/13/justice/florida-movie-theater-shooting/

Yeah that's it. Only the police should have guns to keep all if us in line.. hmm sounds like something that went on in the 1930's..

 

[The Midnight]

Can someone else comment on this? I think it's pretty obvious. Every single picture I have seen of Castile he has the same facial hair, a chinstrap into a mustache up to his time of death. The robber had a disconnected goatee. I'm not blind am I? Seems to be a low % chance Castille was this robber.

I don't think it's the same person ... if you look at the robber's hair above the ear, it's shaved off... whereas the guy who was shot, his hair is connected to the goatee.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't think it's the same person ... if you look at the robber's hair above the ear, it's shaved off... whereas the guy who was shot, his hair is connected to the goatee.

They both have a fade above the ear, the bottom picture just has a beard that attaches and the other doesnt.