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Police shoots black behavioural therapist who was laying on the ground with his hands up.

Only good thing about this is cop did not kill or seriously harm him.
If he did can only imagine the response for this.
Cop should be fired immediately and banned from owning any guns.
 
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After looking into this story and discerning what I can about the case I have come to this conclusion.

Things are not going to get better. Why? Because Americans in their individual groups are not interested in fixing the problems within their own groups in sufficient numbers. Police, blacks, whites, Rs, Ds, Christians, Muslims...any other group classing you want to use.

It is always someone else's problems and faults that need to be fixed. It will not get better.
 
Boris said:
Typical stereotyping around here. I hope that cop goes to prison for a long time as well as the other two officers who failed to arrest him for attempted murder. They failed there civic duty.
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Hack would call this a justified shooting.
 
Stoked said:
After looking into this story and discerning what I can about the case I have come to this conclusion.

Things are not going to get better. Why? Because Americans in their individual groups are not interested in fixing the problems within their own groups in sufficient numbers. Police, blacks, whites, Rs, Ds, Christians, Muslims...any other group classing you want to use.

It is always someone else's problems and faults that need to be fixed. It will not get better.
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Don't be so angsty. Society is obsessed with how to make things better, and we continually do so.
 
Siro said:
Don't be so angsty. Society is obsessed with how to make things better, and we continually do so.
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Society is not ready to make this better. Society is ready to blame.

I wouldn't call it angsty. I'd call it fatalistic lol.
 
Stoked said:
After looking into this story and discerning what I can about the case I have come to this conclusion.

Things are not going to get better. Why? Because Americans in their individual groups are not interested in fixing the problems within their own groups in sufficient numbers. Police, blacks, whites, Rs, Ds, Christians, Muslims...any other group classing you want to use.

It is always someone else's problems and faults that need to be fixed. It will not get better.
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I've said in here for years that people don't care for solutions. The people here don't care for solutions, only complaining about problem this problem that.

If there is a problem how about discussing solutions instead of fighting over it? There are so many simple solutions to our "problems" that would benefit the wants of every side but we don't care to sit at a table and discuss them.

For example, look at the Simpson-Bowles commission. Side note, for all you career politician haters, youtube some videos of Alan Simpson. He is a genuinely great person.
 
Siro said:
Don't be so angsty. Society is obsessed with how to make things better, and we continually do so.
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It's gotten to the point of an unhealthy obsession and a lot of pc/pr pandering IMO. Anytime a police officer comes under scrutiny the department comes out with the standard we need to improve type statements. Is there not a point where we have improved something enough and can back off? I deal with EPA regulations and some of their new rules seem so asinine and fruitless (and written by industry). But they are continuing improving problems that don't exist.
 
franklin said:
It's gotten to the point of an unhealthy obsession and a lot of pc/pr pandering IMO. Anytime a police officer comes under scrutiny the department comes out with the standard we need to improve type statements. Is there not a point where we have improved something enough and can back off? I deal with EPA regulations and some of their new rules seem so asinine and fruitless (and written by industry). But they are continuing improving problems that don't exist.
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Regulation isn't the only way we improve things. The moral standards of a society continually improve as new problems arise and old ones become more apparent due to expanding exposure and understanding allowed by advancing technology. Nonetheless, people obviously do want solutions. But real solutions are very hard to come by, and most people don't have the knowledge or experience to propose meaningful ones.

As for whether something is a real problem/solution, **** is complicated. What can I say? You have your own perspective on the reality of the situation, and others have theirs. You have your reasons, and others have theirs. Some changes make our lives better, and others worse. I think we do, generally, take the path forward, even if it's a winding one.
 
JazzGal said:
The officer claims that he wasn't being racist because he meant to shoot the autistic guy. Somehow I don't think this is going to get him a lot more sympathy.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/bullet-that-struck-caregiver-was-meant-to-protect-him-police-union-president-says/ar-BBuCQMF?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
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I hope they roll with this defense. It only shows more incompetence and comes across as bull **** by that officer. Do you not go through shooting training? How do you miss your target by that much? Why were you shooting at an unarmed mentally unstable person while this man was explaining the situation to you?

Police attacking clearly mentally unstable people bugs me. That Saint George taser death a few years ago for example.
 
franklin said:
I hope they roll with this defense. It only shows more incompetence and comes across as bull **** by that officer. Do you not go through shooting training? How do you miss your target by that much? Why were you shooting at an unarmed mentally unstable person while this man was explaining the situation to you?

Police attacking clearly mentally unstable people bugs me. That Saint George taser death a few years ago for example.
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The whole approach to policing is problematic. From the day they join the force, they are shown videos and presentations of policemen and women being killed and beaten, and there is a mentality of "you're the good guy, and they're the bad guys. Make sure the good guys survive" that is emphasized in training, instead of an emphasis on de-escalation and civil service.
 
Siro said:
Regulation isn't the only way we improve things. The moral standards of a society continually improve as new problems arise and old ones become more apparent due to expanding exposure and understanding allowed by advancing technology. Nonetheless, people obviously do want solutions. But real solutions are very hard to come by, and most people don't have the knowledge or experience to propose meaningful ones.

As for whether something is a real problem/solution, **** is complicated. What can I say? You have your own perspective on the reality of the situation, and others have theirs. You have your reasons, and others have theirs. Some changes make our lives better, and others worse. I think we do, generally, take the path forward, even if it's a winding one.
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I don't agree. Take gay marriage for example. The religious want the sanctity of marriage protected, the pro-gay rights crowd wants equality. Okay, simple solution: remove the term marriage from the federal register altogether and change the tax code to say civil union for gay and strait alike.

That's a simple solution but instead we fought and fought for a decade over it.

Siro said:
The whole approach to policing is problematic. From the day they join the force, they are shown videos and presentations of policemen and women being killed and beaten, and there is a mentality of "you're the good guy, and they're the bad guys. Make sure the good guys survive" that is emphasized in training, instead of an emphasis on de-escalation and civil service.
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Agreed. And I sympathize with them when there is clearly present danger. However, when they jump to violent conclusions when you or I clearly would not then there is an institutionalized problem. Google the Raymond Johnson beating.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/22/us/north-miami-police-charles-kinsey-shooting/index.html

The officer is Jonathan Aledda, North Miami City Manager Larry Spring Jr. said at a press conference. Aledda, a four-year department veteran and a member of the SWAT team, has been placed on administrative leave.
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A second police officer, Emile Hollant, has also been placed on administrative leave without pay after giving conflicting statements to investigators, Spring said.
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So, basically, the second police officer lied to protect the first. Of course, he thought of it himself. There's no way his training or the entire police culture taught him to lie to protect "one of his own."
 
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