Joe Bagadonuts
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In Italian. Come on, man!
Red
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I understand Hillary will oversee a national security state. It's not likely I can imagine what that national security state will look like decades from now. But I suspect I'm lucky in being old enough not to see it. I have concluded keeping Trump out of the Oval Office is first priority, as has the Washington Post among other Trump opponents in the press. Here's their latest offering on the Trump Foundation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...c88f9c-7d11-11e6-ac8e-cf8e0dd91dc7_story.html
And one man's lament at that national security state that either Clinton or Trump will oversee:
https://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176187/tomgram:_peter_van_buren,_class_of_2017_--_so_sorry!/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...c88f9c-7d11-11e6-ac8e-cf8e0dd91dc7_story.html
And one man's lament at that national security state that either Clinton or Trump will oversee:
https://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176187/tomgram:_peter_van_buren,_class_of_2017_--_so_sorry!/
I don't think the legislation rolled out after 9/11 will last through a Trump Presidency unless the RINOs who rolled it out keep a firm grip on the congress. The trouble is there are no Dems who would join with the more conservative constitutional minded Republicans to dump the stupid police state.
Stuff like Trump's frugality with his own money, and his largesse with other people's money is pretty certain in his class. But this is trivial compared to Hillary's selling her office as Secretary of State through her "charity".
Comparisons of terrorism casualties against automobile accidents is inane.
Trump is not a saint, nobody is who can clearly see his own interest in everything. I believe my security will be better with a President who projects that kind of good practical sense for our country.
Red
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I don't think so. I don't walk around wondering if I'll be blown up by an ISIS soldier. But thanks to getting broadsided this Summer by an uninsured motorist, running a stop sign, now I flinch every time I see a guy speeding up to an intersection as I'm passing through it. And the odds say I have more justification for being more concerned with that possibility. The article was about how we have allowed fear of terrorist attack to assume a significance that it probably does not deserve in comparison to more realistic threats. But I believe you missed that point....
That's just it though. I think it has reached that point in American society. Over the last couple years look at all the attacks in America and Europe. (I am including shootings/stabbings like Sandy Hook, Minny, Aurora, Fort Meyers, Fort Hood...to me they are terror attacks, same effect)
Jonah
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Trump uses his Foundation to pay off personal debt ($250,000 and counting), buy gifts and comically outlandish portraits of himself, and send pay-to-play campaign donations to Pam Bondi. This is all laughed off as trivial, not only by his cloistered supporters, but by Trump himself.
Last night Trump gave a nice glimpse into his thinking:
It also makes you seem generous when you’re not. Like when NBC in 2012 gave $500,000 to the Trump Foundation. Trump gets to repeatedly boast to a national audience on his The Apprentice television show that he's donating money (“from my own pocket”) to charities when, in fact, the money came from NBC. Nothing illegal, just a way of filtering funds from NBC to the Trump Foundation and letting him claim the generosity as his own. (The foundation’s tax records show no donations from Trump since 2009, it’s all OPM, other people’s money.)
Last night Trump gave a nice glimpse into his thinking:
It also makes you seem generous when you’re not. Like when NBC in 2012 gave $500,000 to the Trump Foundation. Trump gets to repeatedly boast to a national audience on his The Apprentice television show that he's donating money (“from my own pocket”) to charities when, in fact, the money came from NBC. Nothing illegal, just a way of filtering funds from NBC to the Trump Foundation and letting him claim the generosity as his own. (The foundation’s tax records show no donations from Trump since 2009, it’s all OPM, other people’s money.)
Sweet! As President he'll really be able to play with OPM. As Commander-in-Chief he'll be able to play with OPL (other people's lives) which I'm sure he'll get a kick out of.
OK. In that perspective it's understandable. I always look both ways at intersections in hopes to spot stupid drivers who aren't going to stop. Lucky so far.
I just think there are sensible, orderly ways to run things so we don't have loose terrorists in position to do us harm. In my world view, the idea of powerful governments draws flies, all kinds of "undesirables", including politicians who will be very skilled at exploiting government power for personal gain. I'd probably not favor world policeman roles for my government, and in other ways reduce the target value terrorists see in us.
This is why some, like Ted Cruz(ostensibly) or Mark Levin, want a limited, Constitutional government. I'm not really sure even they would be all virtue, of course, in a position of power. But if we limit the power of government, we do also limit the scale and opportunity for abuse. . . .
Trump might be weak on the concept of limited government, and does talk pretty expansively about do;ing big things "the right way", but he's mostly concerned with getting a return on his money, and as President he might give us a better result with our money, putting America first, and all that jazz.
Cappy_Smurf
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Trump supporters were right about Hillary's health. Perhaps they are more insightful than they get credit for. I urge everyone to watch this video with an open mind. Maybe we were all wrong about Trump.
https://www.cc.com/video-clips/e9z0...d-trump-rally?xrs=synd_facebook_092016_tds_81
https://www.cc.com/video-clips/e9z0...d-trump-rally?xrs=synd_facebook_092016_tds_81
Cappy_Smurf
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Now that Trump has finally released his tax returns, it seems as though his supporters were once again, right all along.
[video=youtube_share;BYpw2uAD9bg]https://youtu.be/BYpw2uAD9bg
[video=youtube_share;BYpw2uAD9bg]https://youtu.be/BYpw2uAD9bg
I think the NSA is afraid of what I'm saying and they shrunk my text.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Those man on street interviews are always both hilarious and frightening. There is never a shortage of fools, no matter what subject you pick.
fgcamel
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I heard Obama wasn't even born in the white house.
I'd generally credit most liberals for knowing who was President on Sept. 11, 2001, but of course in your case it's reasonable to doubt whether you got this joke at all.
At first, I wondered if maybe the mainstream media was just right about Pres. Obama being in New Your on 9/11/2016, but who knows, maybe you're right and he was just mysteriously missing from the White House while the TV cameras were rolling at ground zero.
But I'm not one to just assume either that the news is actually right, or that Game is rational and objective, politically speaking, in regard to the current Presidential campaigns.
Well, who knows, I've been wrong before. Whaddyall think, if a biased TV reporter was a Republican and stuffed a microphone in the faces of Hillary supporters, and asked fool questions, dyall think they'd be certain there's a legit explanation for 35,000 missing emails, the missing arms seized at Bengazi and shipped to ISIS, and the tax-exempt status of income taken in the front door of the Clinton Foundation and used to finance her political campaigns and personal needs, maybe we'd have some more fun with all that.
ah, another genius. How come I doubt you actually understand that Presidents are rarely born in the White House? Oh, who knows, maybe Lincoln was, don'tya think?
I'll be honest. I cannot tell if you are being extremely sarcastic or if that joke flew right over your head...