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Tony Jones says "Joe will not be a starter". But he has an annoying habit of stating his opinions as facts, so I'm not sure which this is.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
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Joe or Hayward both defend any position better than Hood.

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I think hood is a better shooting guard than JJ and Hayward with his size is better at the 3. I'm not talking about defense. I'm talking about basketball.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think hood is a better shooting guard than JJ and Hayward with his size is better at the 3. I'm not talking about defense. I'm talking about basketball.
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What makes him a better shooting guard? Position are only necessary for who you defend. Other than that, it really doesnt matter.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
What makes him a better shooting guard? Position are only necessary for who you defend. Other than that, it really doesnt matter.
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Imo quickness matters on offense. I think hood is quicker than both of them. Just my opinion.

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fgcamel said:
Can you expand on this please.
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Who you can guard is your NBA position.

Gordon Hayward can certainly run an offense, but can he defend NBA PG's consistently? No, so therefore he can't really be a PG.

Trey Lyles can shoot, dribble, and playmake but is he a wing player? No, because he can't guard wing players.
 
fishonjazz said:
Imo quickness matters on offense. I think hood is quicker than both of them. Just my opinion.

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Completely disagree with your assertion that Hood has to start because JJ and Hayward are both really big and not typical SG size.

I think Hood starts because he is the better player than JJ, not because of size or quickness but just overall basketball ability.

I could see JJ starting because he is the better defender and better shooter.

Hood might be quicker, but it's not like he has used quickness in his game so the difference between quickness of Hood to Hayward/JJ is probably negligible (and Hayward is probably quicker).
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Who you can guard is your NBA position.
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It is not like you say and never was. I'll give you an definite example: the Lakers' backcourt with Magic Johnson and Byron Scott in the 1980s. On defense, the 6'4 Scott would most of the time guard the shorter backcourt opponent, usually a PG, and the 6'9 Magic would guard the tallest, usually a SG. Nevertheless no one ever suggested that Scott was the PG and Magic the SG on that backcourt. Positions are defined offensively, not defensively.
 
ghsartin said:
It is not like you say and never was. I'll give you an definite example: the Lakers' backcourt with Magic Johnson and Byron Scott in the 1980s. On defense, the 6'4 Scott would most of the time guard the shorter backcourt opponent, usually a PG, and the 6'9 Magic would guard the tallest, usually a SG. Nevertheless no one ever suggested that Scott was the PG and Magic the SG on that backcourt. Positions are defined offensively, not defensively.
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You're both right and you're both wrong. I think it kind of varies from team to team, but the league has been basically transitioning to positionless basketball. Some teams are running out lineups with 3 forwards and no center. Some teams are running lineups without a PG. I don't think there's one right answer here.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Who you can guard is your NBA position.

Gordon Hayward can certainly run an offense, but can he defend NBA PG's consistently? No, so therefore he can't really be a PG.

Trey Lyles can shoot, dribble, and playmake but is he a wing player? No, because he can't guard wing players.
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I understand what you're saying, but isn't it somewhat paradoxical? Because you're defining what makes these players point guards based on their offense, but then defining Haywards position based on whether he can defend those people.
 
fgcamel said:
I understand what you're saying, but isn't it somewhat paradoxical? Because you're defining what makes these players point guards based on their offense, but then defining Haywards position based on whether he can defend those people.
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Where?
 
ghsartin said:
It is not like you say and never was. I'll give you an definite example: the Lakers' backcourt with Magic Johnson and Byron Scott in the 1980s. On defense, the 6'4 Scott would most of the time guard the shorter backcourt opponent, usually a PG, and the 6'9 Magic would guard the tallest, usually a SG. Nevertheless no one ever suggested that Scott was the PG and Magic the SG on that backcourt. Positions are defined offensively, not defensively.
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PG is the only position (imo) in basketball defined offensively but even it's definition isnt as defined anymore.

In the latest Jass season Raul Neto was the PG for the first half of the season, but really Hayward or Hood was more of the PG in the half-court offense while Neto most frequent traditional PG duty was bringing the ball up the floor. His role on the team as PG was more defined through who he defended.
 
fgcamel said:
Where you said can he guard nba point guards consistently. How are you defining who these point guards are that he needs to be able to defend?
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I'm looking at the other 29 NBA teams and who they start at PG....

Do I want Hayward guarding Lillard, Irving, Paul, Curry, etc.?

*And I said he can't* guard them consistently*
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I'm looking at the other 29 NBA teams and who they start at PG....

Do I want Hayward guarding Lillard, Irving, Paul, Curry, etc.?

*And I said he can't* guard them consistently*
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I think it's less about Hayward being able to guard those guys consistently and more about the smaller guys in the Jazz lineup needing a smaller dude to guard.
 
LazyD said:
I think it's less about Hayward being able to guard those guys consistently and more about the smaller guys in the Jazz lineup needing a smaller dude to guard.
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Well the original point is about Hood/Johnson/Hayward guarding Shooting Guards I believe
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Hood might be quicker, but it's not like he has used quickness in his game so the difference between quickness of Hood to Hayward/JJ is probably negligible (and Hayward is probably quicker).
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I have seen him use quickness many many times to score.

Hayward is slow as molasses going into the paint at the hoop. Hands all over him bumping into guys everywhere.

Hood is smooth as hell working the paint, sliding by guys and getting much easier shots.

I think hood makes the offense much better with Hayward than jj does. So I think he should be on the court to start and should play much more than JJ regardless of what you think about who can guard what.

But it's ok. You can have your opinion and I can have mine, it's ok if we disagree.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
50% of the game tho.
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Yep. Hayward, hood, and JJ can all guard shooting guards.

I don't think they all can be very effective at the shooting guard position offensively though which is why I was saying hood should start.
I think that hayward and JJ are definitely more suited to the 3 (or even the 4) and hood is more suited for the 2. Might as well just play them at their more natural position imo since we have so many good players at each position already. no need to force guys into a position that they don't naturally fit into imo.
 
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