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Well the original point is about Hood/Johnson/Hayward guarding Shooting Guards I believe
Nah, the original point is who should be in the starting line-up at the wing. JJ and Hayward, or Hayward and hood.
I think Hayward and hood fit better together.

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Well the original point is about Hood/Johnson/Hayward guarding Shooting Guards I believe
This is the original post that started this lame discussion lol.
Yeah, I'm really starting to wonder if he'll start, and then have Hood come off the bench.
I think we are better off starting Hayward and hood rather than Hayward and JJ.
 
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Who you can guard is your NBA position.

Gordon Hayward can certainly run an offense, but can he defend NBA PG's consistently? No, so therefore he can't really be a PG.

Trey Lyles can shoot, dribble, and playmake but is he a wing player? No, because he can't guard wing players.


James Harden can't guard anybody at any position. Where does he fall within this philosophy?
 
TribJazz Podcast 9/30 notes:

- Depth of team could lead to most players seeing fluctuations in their minutes and shots

- Expected Exum to come back slow, surprised at the feed back on where he is at (from coaches and players)

- Exum is not showing timidness about driving or contact, looks like 2016 SL Exum

- Rehashes the 14 sec. shot clock, early pick and roll

- Their feeling is that if the Jazz preform well this season,50+ wins and 2nd round, that there is a good chance Hayward stays

- Entire FO (GM to players) knows this is a very important year for this team

- Talks about how Hill will affect double teams on Hayward and Hood as he is to dangerous from 3 to leave open. Frees up other Jazz players or gets open shots

- DL has said a couple times that Hill and Exum can play together. They both guard 1s and 2s

- Exum has "built his body up", 6'6'...by the time he is 24-25...he has a real chance to be a monster in this league

- Thinks Exum's minutes will start low and build as the season progresses

- Think the Jazz are just being super cautious with Burks, only 10% cause for concern

- Thinks Hayward's assisted shots will increase, about 1/3rd of them, tremendous spacing will aid this. he will be more efficient and scoring avg will go up. Tony Jones says 20ppg

- Talks about how Hood needs to work on getting to the FT line, Hood knows this. Even with the added depth Hayward and Hood are the guys offensively

- Says that Gobert will be a nod nod wink wink restricted free agent but is signing with the Jazz, alludes to everyone being on the same page

- They like the over on the Vegas line of 47.5 wins

- Says spots 4-8 in the west will be a scramble
 
James Harden can't guard anybody at any position. Where does he fall within this philosophy?

James Harden can play defense. Does he choose not to play defense or conserve his energy while playing defense? Yes, but he can defend if he wants to and he is obviously capable of guarding players in his size range.
 
Locked On Jazz 09/30/16 notes:

- Builds up (a little) Rockets, Nuggets, Wolves...then talks about the Vegas line for Utah. Tempering expectations somewhat

- Jazz margin of error is bigger than some of the other teams clustered around Utah (Memphis, Portland, Houston...)

- Talks about watching some plays/players and seeing some things that they still do that brings you back to earth a little

- Locke thinks there is still a little bit of a leadership void, no big personalities, great chemistry but not to many large team activities in down time

- Hayward's workouts over the summer were incredible. He is around 235 lbs.

- Favors is focused and dialed in to do what he needs to do

- Says Favors needs to improve defensively as the primary big

- No data due to prior team personnel on whether Favors will really benefit from a stretch 4. Floor spacing and how it affects Favors will be worth watching

- Snyder sound bytes about him knowing and understanding Favors better. That hopefully it will lead to a better relationship and better coaching

- DL said lot's of players where at Jazz facilities this off season

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James Harden can't guard anybody at any position. Where does he fall within this philosophy?

He can guard when he chooses to put forth high effort. And when he is not putting in high effort, he usually still outscore you.
 
Does anyone else feel like this was just super underwhelming for some reason? Seems like there wasn't really much to talk about. Even just the media day thread from last year is like 5 times bigger than this one.

Honestly, I don't think I've ever been overwhelmed by a media day event. I mean, it's just listening to a bunch of jock athletes talk about an up coming professional season. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Did you make up this rule all by yourself?...Dennis Rodman could guard all positions very effectively. I've never ever heard anyone call Rodman a point guard.

No, because like you just said, he could guard all positions effectively. He was a player that broke the norm and was completely position-less on defense (early in his career), but was extremely limited on offense. Exceptions to rules exist.

And I've heard this position stated by analyst before, it's not something I made up, just something I agree with.
 
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- Jazz margin of error is bigger than some of the other teams clustered around Utah (Memphis, Portland, Houston...)
I like this thought. Utah is built to handle adversity better than most this season. (Memphis is still pretty deep though iirc)
- Hayward's workouts over the summer were incredible. He is around 235 lbs.
Beast mode
 
So, GS, SA, Jazz and the rest is up for grabs.

They say 1-3 will be GSW, SAS and LAC

4-8 is a mix of UTA, HOU, MEM, POR, DAL, OKC and maybe even MIN. They believe UTA is the lead horse in that race and will likely get 4th though. I believe the described it as having the biggest margin for error.
 
PG is the only position (imo) in basketball defined offensively but even it's definition isnt as defined anymore.

In the latest Jass season Raul Neto was the PG for the first half of the season, but really Hayward or Hood was more of the PG in the half-court offense while Neto most frequent traditional PG duty was bringing the ball up the floor. His role on the team as PG was more defined through who he defended.

Saint Cy of JFC, I've read your answer and the following arguments by other people and I take back what I said... to an extent. Please allow me to think out loud this issue in order to explain myself in a tongue that is not my native one.

Personally, I'm not prepared to agree that a player's position is defined defensively but I'll give you that the way an actual NBA offense works often doesn't match the alleged position of the players. Let's think for a moment about the Bulls teams of the first three championships. Were either BJ Armstrong or John Paxson PGs? That offense worked with either Pippen or - less often - Jordan bringing the ball up the court and setting the plays up. Paxson and Armstrong mostly spoted up, hoping to be open when the double team closed on one of the stars. So, regarding that particular offense we can say, truthfully, that either Pippen was the de facto PG or that there was no PG. This means the allegation that Armstrong's and Paxson's were the team's PG was either a result of their defensive assignments or... something else. But what? I would argue that existed - and still does - some sort of "default standard" in which the shortest player is automatically called the PG. Why I say that? Because even though Armstrong and Paxson, both standing at 6'2, were shorter than Jordan, they were clearly less mobile than him, which meant Jordan ended up guarding opposing PGs with regularity.

That brings us back to Raul Neto last season. Did he really play as a PG offensively? Most of the time no. Did he guard the opposing PGs? Almost always, if I remember it correctly. So, how can one define his position, after all? Offensively in reality he was just a cog, since he wasn't either asked to shoot or set up plays often. According to basketballreference.com, though, he played PG 100% of the time, which means he was either that sort of "PG by default" by being the shortest player on the court or a "PG due to defensive assingment".

In summary, I think there are three principles in operation here and one of them is picked by the coaches and color commentators according to the situation: the first and probably the oldest, is "a player's position is defined by what he does offensively"; the second is something like "the PGs are the shortest ones and the Cs are the tallest ones and there is a position scale from 1 to 5 according to height/size"; and the third one is "who a player guards is his position". I think people try to solve most issues with the first principle and if it doesn't work, they try the second... and then the third.

So, concluding, what is in question here not only has something to do with the way people analyse what happens on court, but is also a rethorical or argumentative matter. In other words, it is also a discoursive issue.

:)
 
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