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Is Russia Helping Trump?

Computer said:
The left has no one to blame but themselves for Trump being president. Using Russia as an excuse is sorry. No one made Hillary do what she did. No one made the people on the left prop up that scandalous women Hillary Clinton. All of you did it on your own.

This is exactly one of the biggest faults of the left. No self accountability or responsibility. Just blame someone or something else for your mistakes and problems. That is the signature of the left.

As soon as you come to grips with the mistakes you have made, the sooner you can get on track. Keep going down this road, the worse it will get for your cause.

You never should have let Hillary and the DNC smear and rob Bernie Sanders of his rightful party nominee. He was a real man of the people. I bet he would have won.

So blame no one but yourselves. You especially [MENTION=26]Gameface[/MENTION]. You were out trying to sell us all on her. But it didnt work. I bet you actually convinced more people to vote for Trump.

Hillary lost to the worst candidate of all time. What does that say about her? And what does that say about the people who actaully supported and voted for her?
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You are totally missing the point. GF isn't saying anything about hilary being great or anything about hilary at all. He isn't trying to blame Russia for hilary losing. He is saying that Russia being involved in our elections is a bad thing. That should be obvious and everyone should be in agreement on this.
It's really that simple and I will spell it out really simply for the dimwits.... RUSSIA (or any country) INFLUENCING THE OUTCOME OF AMERICAN ELECTIONS IS A BAD THING. regardless of which candidate Russia is trying to help and regardless of what election it is that they are involved in.

Sheesh, this should be such an easy and obvious conclusion for every one to come to.

The fact that Russia went after hilary to try to help trump win isn't the issue. The issue is that Russia being involved in an American election is troubling.
 
So what exactly did the Russians do? Everything I can find to read just says they did some unspecified hacking that somehow handed Trump the presidency. Anyone have any specifics or details?
 
OK here is something.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak

WikiLeaks did not reveal its source; a self-styled hacker going by the moniker Guccifer 2.0 claimed responsibility for the attack. On July 25, 2016, the FBI announced that it would investigate the hack[5][6][7][8][9][10][11] The same day, the DNC issued a formal apology to Bernie Sanders and his supporters, stating, "On behalf of everyone at the DNC, we want to offer a deep and sincere apology to Senator Sanders, his supporters, and the entire Democratic Party for the inexcusable remarks made over email," and that the emails did not reflect the DNC's "steadfast commitment to neutrality during the nominating process."[12] On November 6, 2016, WikiLeaks released a second batch of DNC emails, adding 8,263 emails to its collection.[13]
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Sounds like the DNC did this to themselves. I teach my kids to never send an email or post anything you wouldn't want read out loud in court or by their grandmother.
 
LogGrad98 said:
OK here is something.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak



Sounds like the DNC did this to themselves. I teach my kids to never send an email or post anything you wouldn't want read out loud in court or by their grandmother.
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Can we separate the stupidity of the DNC from the fact that Russia is interfering with our election process? If there were similar emails on the other side Russia had no interest in them or releasing them because they wanted to influence the election in the direction that best suited their interests. That's a bad thing regardless of how stupid and unethical the DNC is.
 
LogGrad98 said:
So what exactly did the Russians do? Everything I can find to read just says they did some unspecified hacking that somehow handed Trump the presidency. Anyone have any specifics or details?
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Good question.
 
Gameface said:
Can we separate the stupidity of the DNC from the fact that Russia is interfering with our election process? If there were similar emails on the other side Russia had no interest in them or releasing them because they wanted to influence the election in the direction that best suited their interests. That's a bad thing regardless of how stupid and unethical the DNC is.
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This.
 
Gameface said:
Can we separate the stupidity of the DNC from the fact that Russia is interfering with our election process? If there were similar emails on the other side Russia had no interest in them or releasing them because they wanted to influence the election in the direction that best suited their interests. That's a bad thing regardless of how stupid and unethical the DNC is.
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Agreed. One does not negate the other. We cannot tolerate the hacking of our systems, by anyone.

Also the DNC has been exposed. Hopefully it leads to reforms and they clean up their image.
 
Stoked said:
Agreed. One does not negate the other. We cannot tolerate the hacking of our systems, by anyone.

Also the DNC has been exposed. Hopefully it leads to reforms and they clean up their image.
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Yeah, the DNC got exposed and then lost an election they thought they had in the bag. Had they not worked to suppress support for Sanders he might have gotten the nomination and beat Trump. So the blame is on the DNC for the outcome of the election. I don't think Putin won the election for Trump. I think his influence was relatively minor, but going forward we need to protect our election process from all outside manipulations. That's the biggest lesson here.
 
fishonjazz said:
You are totally missing the point. GF isn't saying anything about hilary being great or anything about hilary at all. He isn't trying to blame Russia for hilary losing. He is saying that Russia being involved in our elections is a bad thing. That should be obvious and everyone should be in agreement on this.
It's really that simple and I will spell it out really simply for the dimwits.... RUSSIA (or any country) INFLUENCING THE OUTCOME OF AMERICAN ELECTIONS IS A BAD THING. regardless of which candidate Russia is trying to help and regardless of what election it is that they are involved in.

Sheesh, this should be such an easy and obvious conclusion for every one to come to.

The fact that Russia went after hilary to try to help trump win isn't the issue. The issue is that Russia being involved in an American election is troubling.
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Gameface said:
Can we separate the stupidity of the DNC from the fact that Russia is interfering with our election process? If there were similar emails on the other side Russia had no interest in them or releasing them because they wanted to influence the election in the direction that best suited their interests. That's a bad thing regardless of how stupid and unethical the DNC is.
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You two are actually missing the point.

This Russia hacked our election thing is nothing more than a giant waste of time by the establishment left. It only serves to try and delegitimize Trump, and therefore legitimize Hillary and the neoliberals.

Where was the outrage when Hillary and her cohorts rigged the Democratic nominee? That was way more impactful than anything Russia did. Again, they just delivered to us the things Hillary said. They didnt actually rig anything.

Also, where is the outrage about how we interfere with every government? Our government is the king of interfering. Why am I supposed to get mad about Russia doing it on a scale much much smaller than what we ever do? You cant see the hypocrisy in that? Why am I supposed to be upset about that? Especially when it can be argued it was a good thing what they did?

This is just wasted time BS by the left establishment and media. Does nothing more than just distract you from the real issue. Which is the Democrats have much bigger problems than Russia hacking and leaking emails. Its amazing that some people on the left still eat this up. Its a good thing that a lot of people are waking up to it. Your opinions on this arent shared by everyone on the left. Maybe you should try some different news sources.

BUT, BUT, BUT, RUSSIA, EMAILS!!
 
Computer said:
You two are actually missing the point.

This Russia hacked our election thing is nothing more than a giant waste of time by the establishment left. It only serves to try and delegitimize Trump, and therefore legitimize Hillary and the neoliberals.

Where was the outrage when Hillary and her cohorts rigged the Democratic nominee? That was way more impactful than anything Russia did. Again, they just delivered to us the things Hillary said. They didnt actually rig anything.

Also, where is the outrage about how we interfere with every government? Our government is the king of interfering. Why am I supposed to get mad about Russia doing it on a scale much much smaller than what we ever do? You cant see the hypocrisy in that? Why am I supposed to be upset about that? Especially when it can be argued it was a good thing what they did?

This is just wasted time BS by the left establishment and media. Does nothing more than just distract you from the real issue. Which is the Democrats have much bigger problems than Russia hacking and leaking emails. Its amazing that some people on the left still eat this up. Its a good thing that a lot of people are waking up to it. Your opinions on this arent shared by everyone on the left. Maybe you should try some different news sources.

BUT, BUT, BUT, RUSSIA, EMAILS!!
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We shouldn't be ok with other countries tampering with our elections.

Keep spinning though.
 
DutchJazzer said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg


dnc the 80's called they want their foreign policy back, the cold war is OVER!
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DNC decides the foreign policy for america?
Interesting.

I do remember something about a wall in Germany in the 80's though. Also think I heard some idea about a wall being made by some trump dude.
Interesting.
 
fishonjazz said:
DNC decides the foreign policy for america?
Interesting.

I do remember something about a wall in Germany in the 80's though. Also think I heard some idea about a wall being made by some trump dude.
Interesting.
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anyways brexit now is also blamed on russia.

lol liberals realized calling people racist, xenophobe, sexist, bigoted, homophobic, mysoginst and many other terms doesn't work anymore.

so now they blame russia!

seems like southpark song blame canada!



man the **** up, and see that obama and libverals divided america by calling regular folk racist and such. starting a war on cops, starting a war on regular hard working joe's

dont blame russia!


sol393-just-living-the-deplorable-life.-deplorable-since-1776.-t-shirt.-2_squarethumb.471.jpg

shaming the right does not work anymore! the right doesnt keep blaming the left for the failures of national socialism and the horrors they commited!

now that words don't work go and blame Russia?


or these Hollywood elites try to squash the republic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z0iuWh3sek&

these hollywood elitist had to block comments and likes because they had a 97% dislike ratio!
 
DutchJazzer said:
anyways brexit now is also blamed on russia.

lol liberals realised calling people racist, xenophobe, sexist, bigotted, homophobic, mysoginst and many other terms doesn't work anymore.

so now they blame russia!

seems like southpark song blame canada!



man the **** up, and see that obama and libverals divided america by calling regular folk racist and such. starting a war on cops, starting a war on regular hard working joe's

dont blame russia!


sol393-just-living-the-deplorable-life.-deplorable-since-1776.-t-shirt.-2_squarethumb.471.jpg

shaming the right does not work anymore! the right doesnt keep blaming the left for the failures of national socialism and the horrors they commited!

now that words don't work go and blame Russia?


or these hollywood elitest try to squash the republic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z0iuWh3sek&

these hollywood elitist had to block comments and likes because they had a 97% dislike ratio!
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What are liberals blaming Russia for in your mind?

Who are the liberals trying to shame by being against other countries involvement in our elections?
 
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