Game6Conley
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Josh Jackson throws perfectly lofted "tight window" post-entry passes like a PG.
Following potential 2017 draftees...
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There is a reason you have to use per 36 numbers. Because one is the leader of (on pace for) 50+ wins team and the other one can't get minutes on bottom 3 team in the league. And because those numbers don't reflect efficiency and defense much at all...
Here's a question for draftniks - you have to draft one of Josh Jackson or Jonathan Isaac? Who do you go with? I love the way Jackson plays the game, the competitiveness is unparalleled by any other prospect in this year's draft. One of the best defenders in college, one of the better wing passers in college... With that said...
I'm scarily close to flipping my vote to Jonathan Isaac. The kid just seems to have really really good potential. His shooting stroke looks smooth(unlike Jackson's). He seems to be a smart player, makes the right plays most of the time and his size and length are awesome. His defense has been pretty good, too. I probably still give Josh Jackson the slight edge, but they are probably closer to me than to most people I've read and listened to.
I'm scarily close to flipping my vote to Jonathan Isaac. The kid just seems to have really really good potential. His shooting stroke looks smooth(unlike Jackson's). He seems to be a smart player, makes the right plays most of the time and his size and length are awesome. His defense has been pretty good, too. I probably still give Josh Jackson the slight edge, but they are probably closer to me than to most people I've read and listened to.
Jackson, duh.
I'd have to know how Jackson's development curve has been shooting wise and then make an educated guess how much untapped playmaking potential he has. The way the NBA is these days if you want to be an elite wing you need to fit one or more of these labels:
1) primary playmaker - LeBron and Giannis come to mind. They can have a killer impact despite being shaky shooters(I know LeBron looks improved again this season)
2) allround player, especially a strong shooter - George, Hayward, Leonard, Durant(Wiggins has potential here)
3) power and polish player - Butler(Other high energy players can be found in the mid tier like Crowder, healthy DeMarre Carroll, Wes Matthews without an achilles problem could be a superstar wing as well I think)
Watching some of Jackson's game highlights and dx previews, I think his playmaking style resembles Harden and Pau Gasol a lot. Really smart player. Clearly understands geometry and timing. I wouldn't be surprised if he could elevate himself to another level of playmaker over time. The more he handles the ball, the less his success will be reliant on his shooting development. If Kansas plays the same 'overpass the ball on the perimeter with no purpose until the shotclock is down to 5' idiotic system they play every year, then I can totally see the system even hurting him to an extent. Though the spacing should be great if they got the right guys around him this year.
Off the ball he shows the same qualities and goes to spots where he can do damage and where other playmakers have an easy time finding him. But you don't want this space to be permanently occupied by an off-ball wing in the NBA unless your two bigs are capable and comfortable operating outside the paint.
As far as his shooting goes, I don't think he has a bad touch. His floaters are timed well, he putts decent arc on his shots. His release from deep looks wild. Will be interesting to see if someone can make him change his mechanics.
His power level and passion are definitely there. You can see he loves playing basketball, not just the winning part. I'm no psychologist though, so I'm just going by what I see.
I think a really interesting spot would be playing him like Hood as a giant wing who primarily takes care of smaller wings. His frame isn't great, but even though his wingspan is subpar for his size, his arm length looks really solid when you take his narrow shoulders in consideration. Being on smaller guys would eliminate some issues he could face against bigger elite wings.
I like his explosiveness and his handling seems to be well developed. If you draft him top5 your team sucks anyways and his team should definitely try him out as a primary playmaker. They should just add shooting around him as a precautionary measure.
I'll watch Isaac later today when I got more time on my hands.
Yeah, I don't have much trust in his shot. Neither his 3p% nor his FT% suggests him being a natural shooter, of course that can improve, but I'm not sure I'd bank on it improving to the level where it would be a strength. This is the thing that worries me most about him. I think he fits in the primary playmaker category, he surely has the vision and knowledge of the game to help him master an offense and he has the skill to score in various ways around the rim and to playmake for others in the process. But still, it's so rare for a forward playmaker to succeed without a functional jumpshot nowadays. Can he be Giannis type? Possibly, I guess, but what's the chance he gets there? There aren't any other Giannis-type prototypes.
Game6Conley
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Josh Jackson's role is Warlord Wing (He's easily one of the best I've seen that projects to SG)... There's traces of Latrell Spreewell in his game -- Spree had an interesting uptick in his shooting between Fr. and So. years IIRC - %'s were good both seasons but the was an enormous uptick in volume.
This distinction is not as obvious as some of the extreme examples I usually point out (A la Zion Williamson) - For instance I think and have long thought that Trevor Ariza being classified as just a 3 and D player is an understatement, at-worst he's a 3nD with traces of being a warlord wing!!
This distinction is not as obvious as some of the extreme examples I usually point out (A la Zion Williamson) - For instance I think and have long thought that Trevor Ariza being classified as just a 3 and D player is an understatement, at-worst he's a 3nD with traces of being a warlord wing!!
Game6Conley
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While i'm dropping older comps of Ex-Knicks lemme be the first to say OG Anunoby is a rich mans Qyntel Woods.
Game6Conley
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Fox does that CP3 like in-and-out dribble at warp speed.. He's got the best 1st step in this class IMO.
Game6Conley
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Maurice Watson Jr.'s injury means Ball is likely to finish leading the nation in assists. Watson could've beaten him tho.
This changes #7 Creighton's gameplan drastically (18-1) Coach McDermott will figure something out but ultimately this will be much tougher for Justin Patton now moving forward. If he somehow can carry this team his stock can only go higher...
This changes #7 Creighton's gameplan drastically (18-1) Coach McDermott will figure something out but ultimately this will be much tougher for Justin Patton now moving forward. If he somehow can carry this team his stock can only go higher...
Game6Conley
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Awesome showing from Wenyen Gabriel!! He's been everywhere. It's crazy that DX doesn't even have him in the top-40 of the 2018 mock
Game6Conley
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Brent Musberger really likes Isaac Humphries... Was comparing him to Bogut
As far as 2017 or with the Jazz I think I prefer Isaac Haas (at this point)
As far as 2017 or with the Jazz I think I prefer Isaac Haas (at this point)
Game6Conley
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THE JAZZ SHOULD TAKE WENYEN GABRIEL -- Good player to add to a playoff team, he's $$$$$$$$$. Perfect attitude for this team. Better version of (The infamous) Al Farouq Aminu.
Next to bigs like ours his energy would flash constantly
Isaiah Briscoe is back into the 2nd rd range but he's pissing me off in this game, I see flashes of tunnel vision. His legs are enormous for a PG -- How many PG's or G's for that matter in the league have legs like that? He's built like a rugby player.
Next to bigs like ours his energy would flash constantly
Isaiah Briscoe is back into the 2nd rd range but he's pissing me off in this game, I see flashes of tunnel vision. His legs are enormous for a PG -- How many PG's or G's for that matter in the league have legs like that? He's built like a rugby player.
Game6Conley
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Lamar Peters and Kegler with a great showing for MSU. They've got several pros on the team with Q Weatherspoon and Herrard, I think Tyson Carter may have a chance too. Good young team the SEC is about to get MUCH tougher these next few years..
Kegler is EASILY in the best shape I've seen him in. Which is a good sign.
This team is a bunch of hotheads though ---- I'm sure Briscoe was talking tons of **** tho.
Kegler is EASILY in the best shape I've seen him in. Which is a good sign.
This team is a bunch of hotheads though ---- I'm sure Briscoe was talking tons of **** tho.
seattlejazzfan
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How high does Fox go? If that dude is 6'3" - 6'4", I'd have him as a top 5 lock, maybe top 3. He not far from Wall at the sane stage if he's behind Wall at all.
There are things i like about DSjr over Fox, but gun to my head, i think i go D'Aaron.
There are things i like about DSjr over Fox, but gun to my head, i think i go D'Aaron.
Game6Conley
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I think he could go second but I'm very high on him.. Not saying there will be some miraculous 1-season turnaround with his 3pt percentage but I'm certain he's not this bad either. He'll shoot better for teams in workouts than they expect like Lyles..
Yeah and he just got **** on by Lamar Peters, a real boss.
seattlejazzfan
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Yeah, his shot is solid. I don't worry about it much either.
Issac is a real wildcard. I would take both Jackson and Anunoby over Jonathan Issac right now. I worry about Issac's toughness and foot speed as a wing, though I need to watch him more. He's better in that regard than Quincy Miller, but I've been fooled before.
OG has a higher floor, and just as much upside imo. With OG, I know I'm getting a prototypical 6'8" athletic wing with skill and toughness. I can point to a bunch of similar players who dominate the league.
I think he's being overlooked and underrated due to the other PGs in the class and the amount of attention that Monk has been getting. I think he's as impactful as any young PG other than Fultz and Ball. He knows how to run a team and can do just about everything at 6'4".