The Inevitability of Impeachment

[fishonjazz]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-inevitability-of-impeachment_us_588e8d52e4b0b065cbbcd09f

Trump has been trying to govern by impulse, on whim, for personal retribution, for profit, by decree ― as if he had been elected dictator. It doesn’t work, and the wheels are coming off the bus. After a week!

Impeachment is gaining ground because it is the only way to get him out, and because Republicans are already deserting this president in droves, and because the man is psychiatrically incapable of checking whether something is legal before he does it.

Impeachment is gaining ground because it’s so horribly clear that Trump is unfit for office. The grownups around Trump, even the most slavishly loyal ones, spend half their time trying to rein him in, but it can’t be done.

One by one, Trump has decreed impulsive orders, un-vetted by legal, policy, or political staff, much less by serious planning. Almost immediately he is forced to walk them back by a combination of political and legal pressure

Unlike in the various dictatorships Trump admires, the complex skein of constitutional legal and political checks on tyranny in the United States are holding—just barely at times, but they are holding. And the more reckless Trump’s behavior, the stronger become the checks.

Only with his lunatic effort to selectively ban refugees (but not from terrorist-sending countries like Saudi Arabia and Egypt where Trump has business interests) has Trump discovered that the American system has courts. It has courts. Imagine that.

Trump’s own senior staff has had to pull him back from his ludicrous crusade against Mexico and Mexicans, where Trump forces the Mexican president to cancel an official visit one day, and spends an hour on the phone kissing up the next

Trump proposed to reinstate torture, but key Republican leaders killed that idea. Sen. John Thune (S.D.), the Senate’s third ranking Republican said Wednesday that the ban on torture was settled law and the Republicans in Congress would oppose any reinstatement. Trump’s own defense secretary holds the same view.

Despite his creepy weirdness, Republicans at first thought they could use Trump for Republican ends. But from his embrace of Putin to his sponsorship of a general trade war, this is no Republican.

Given the sheer danger to the Republic as well as to the Republicans, Trump’s impeachment will happen. The only question is how grave a catastrophe America faces first.

 

[DutchJazzer]

#FAKENEWS

 

[Stoked]

IMO, impeachment is not gaining ground. It is a temper tantrum by portions of the left.

His refugee ban - 7 countries are listed. They are taken from previous reports under the Obama administration. Also there was no outrage when Obama banned Iraq refugees for 6 months. I can understand the ban but I don't really agree with it. I hope it is very temporary. Also it is not a ban on muslims as he promised, thank god. Still sucks.

Black sites and water boarding. I sincerely hope he does not open these sites back up and bring these techniques back. Terrible.

Border wall - This is merely getting funding for something all ready passed in 2007 with bi partisan support. The 2007 calls for a 2 layered wall along parts of the border.

Federal hiring freeze - many presidents have instituted temp fed hiring freezes when they enter office until they determine which direction they want to head. Bush, Carter and Reagan all instituted some form of a hiring freeze.

Mexico paying for the wall - this is just dumb, stop it President.

NAFTA - I am absolutely open to America, Mexico and Canada sitting down and renegotiating this deal. It is 20ish years old and things have changed. Time to update it. But do it from a position of mutual respect for the other 2 nations involved.


TPP - This was never ratified by congress and is merely beating a horse that was already dead.

ACA/Obamacare - he is trying to do away with the mandate which tbh, I agree with. Now I am not for repealing the ACA in full. Tweak and change what didn't work. Don't scrap it and start over. I am cautiously worried here.

Chicago violence - I am all for the feds offering a hand when needed. Now I do not mean troops on the street. But funds, gear, training, intel... I want to see what he does. Very vague statement about sending in "the feds"

Dakota Access and Kesystone - will very unpopular this doesn't really break any laws, policies or anything else.

I can see where there are some extremely unpopular actions here. At least to part of the population. Some things I am not a fan of. Like this idiocy of mexico paying for the wall. SMH.

But nothing even remotely impeachable here. Also does the left really want to impeach Trump and put Pence in the Whitehouse?

 

[RandyForRubio]

Lol Huffington Post

 

[b_line]

So the first half of this article is pretty ridiculous, but the second half is substantive. You should read it.

Also, I do believe it's inevitable that he either resigns or is impeached.

He is starting to figure out that courts will not give him dictatorial power, and he won't like that.

 

[DutchJazzer]

IMO, impeachment is not gaining ground. It is a temper tantrum by portions of the left.

His refugee ban - 7 countries are listed. They are taken from previous reports under the Obama administration. Also there was no outrage when Obama banned Iraq refugees for 6 months. I can understand the ban but I don't really agree with it. I hope it is very temporary. Also it is not a ban on muslims as he promised, thank god. Still sucks.

imho i have been watching this election cycle closely. i dont think he ever promised to ban muslims.

 

[DutchJazzer]

So the first half of this article is pretty ridiculous, but the second half is substantive. You should read it.

Also, I do believe it's inevitable that he either resigns or is impeached.

He is starting to figure out that courts will not give him dictatorial power, and he won't like that.

i am willing to bet, if he does not die of old age/natural causes that he will get a 2nd term!

the media is painting you a picture that only supports one side!

case in point womens march got wall to wall coverage,l but the pro live march which was just as big, not as vulgar and not celebrity laden did almost 0 coverage.

also the never trumpers, ar ebecoming maybe trumpers and trumpers. he has started to win them over.
if a revote was held today he would get more votes than on nov8.


the media is clearly ignoring large parts of the country. only paying attention to the part that supports their narative

 

[Stoked]

imho i have been watching this election cycle closely. i dont think he ever promised to ban muslims.

He did. Also talked about a national registry and spying on their mosques in the US. All ideas that go against a core American principle. I am 100% opposed to it.

Also the media rage by the President, his team and his followers has gotten pathetic. Yeah there are biases and yeah some outlets are not the best sources for facts. But at this point it's like watching a toddler kick and scream in the store because they didn't get any candy. Stop.

 

[fishonjazz]

[MENTION=1988]Stoked[/MENTION] what is tpp?

 

[Stoked]

[MENTION=1988]Stoked[/MENTION] what is tpp?

Trans Pacific Partnership. It was a huge trade deal involving a bunch of pacific ocean countries. America, Australia, Chili, Japan... US congress never ratified it and as a result was not in effect for the US.

So Trump signing an executive order withdrawing the US from the TPP was pure spin.

 

[fishonjazz]

Trans Pacific Partnership. It was a huge trade deal involving a bunch of pacific ocean countries. America, Australia, Chili, Japan... US congress never ratified it and as a result was not in effect for the US.

So Trump signing an executive order withdrawing the US from the TPP was pure spin.

What was the purpose of it?

 

[DutchJazzer]

He did. Also talked about a national registry and spying on their mosques in the US. All ideas that go against a core American principle. I am 100% opposed to it.

Also the media rage by the President, his team and his followers has gotten pathetic. Yeah there are biases and yeah some outlets are not the best sources for facts. But at this point it's like watching a toddler kick and scream in the store because they didn't get any candy. Stop.

wanna know the real bias. all previous 6 president banned countries from traveling to the U S of A.
but only creating outrage with this president

 

[Stoked]

What was the purpose of it?

It is intended to promote and strengthen trade among the nations signed. Reduce tariffs, remove import/export bans, things like that. I do not know all the details.

Edit: And even if I did I probably wouldn't understand if it accomplished those goals or not lol.

 

[fishonjazz]

It is intended to promote and strengthen trade among the nations signed. Reduce tariffs, remove import/export bans, things like that. I do not know all the details.

Thanks for the response.

 

[b_line]

i am willing to bet, if he does not die of old age/natural causes that he will get a 2nd term!

the media is painting you a picture that only supports one side!

case in point womens march got wall to wall coverage,l but the pro live march which was just as big, not as vulgar and not celebrity laden did almost 0 coverage.

also the never trumpers, ar ebecoming maybe trumpers and trumpers. he has started to win them over.
if a revote was held today he would get more votes than on nov8.


the media is clearly ignoring large parts of the country. only paying attention to the part that supports their narative

Lets bet then. I will put up $50 that he won't get a second term.

 

[Stoked]

Lets bet then. I will put up $50 that he won't get a second term.

I think betting at this point is pretty useless. He may not even finish one term or may turn out to be fantastic for America.

It's a little early to take bets IMO lol

 

[Hotdog]

IMO, impeachment is not gaining ground. It is a temper tantrum by portions of the left.

His refugee ban - 7 countries are listed. They are taken from previous reports under the Obama administration. Also there was no outrage when Obama banned Iraq refugees for 6 months. I can understand the ban but I don't really agree with it. I hope it is very temporary. Also it is not a ban on muslims as he promised, thank god. Still sucks.

Black sites and water boarding. I sincerely hope he does not open these sites back up and bring these techniques back. Terrible.

Border wall - This is merely getting funding for something all ready passed in 2007 with bi partisan support. The 2007 calls for a 2 layered wall along parts of the border.

Federal hiring freeze - many presidents have instituted temp fed hiring freezes when they enter office until they determine which direction they want to head. Bush, Carter and Reagan all instituted some form of a hiring freeze.

Mexico paying for the wall - this is just dumb, stop it President.

NAFTA - I am absolutely open to America, Mexico and Canada sitting down and renegotiating this deal. It is 20ish years old and things have changed. Time to update it. But do it from a position of mutual respect for the other 2 nations involved.


TPP - This was never ratified by congress and is merely beating a horse that was already dead.

ACA/Obamacare - he is trying to do away with the mandate which tbh, I agree with. Now I am not for repealing the ACA in full. Tweak and change what didn't work. Don't scrap it and start over. I am cautiously worried here.

Chicago violence - I am all for the feds offering a hand when needed. Now I do not mean troops on the street. But funds, gear, training, intel... I want to see what he does. Very vague statement about sending in "the feds"

Dakota Access and Kesystone - will very unpopular this doesn't really break any laws, policies or anything else.

I can see where there are some extremely unpopular actions here. At least to part of the population. Some things I am not a fan of. Like this idiocy of mexico paying for the wall. SMH.

But nothing even remotely impeachable here. Also does the left really want to impeach Trump and put Pence in the Whitehouse?

This

If the left wasn't a bunch of dumb kids they might know stuff like this and stop acting like fools.

The Trump the left thinks he is is a whole lot different than the actual man. Trump just doesn't have a filter and so he wrecks the feelings of snowflakes all across the land. Its embarrassing for our country to watch so many people throw tantrums over stupid stuff. But that's what you get when the majority of these people are mentally ill and or the criminal elements of society.

If Trump ever tries something that is truly awful then a lot of people all over the spectrum will stand up against it. Do these clowns protesting actually think they know something everyone else doesn't, or that really everybody that voted for Trump are evil racist people. Gimmie a break. If you find yourself identifying with the alt left, then you need some serious mental help,

 

[Stoked]

This

If the left wasn't a bunch of dumb kids they night know stuff like this and stop acting like fools.

The Trump the left thinks he is is a whole lot different than the actual man. Trump just doesn't have a filter and so he wrecks the feelings of snowflakes all across the land. Its embarrassing for our country to watch so many people throw tantrums over stupid stuff. But that's what you get when the majority of these people are mentally ill and or the criminal elements of society.

If Trump ever tries something that is truly awful then a lot of people all over the spectrum will stand up against it. Do these clowns protesting actually think they know something everyone else doesn't, or that really everybody that voted for Trump are evil racist people. Gimmie a break. If you find yourself identifying with the alt left, then you need some serious mental help,

Well, if he pushes ahead with his "black sites" and torture I think he will see some massive push back on the right and left. Rightfully so.

 

[DutchJazzer]

If Trump ever tries something that is truly awful then a lot of people all over the spectrum will stand up against it. Do these clowns protesting actually think they know something everyone else doesn't, or that really everybody that voted for Trump are evil racist people. Gimmie a break. If you find yourself identifying with the alt left, then you need some serious mental help,

but the media aka the opposition party. lets these snowflakes believe they are right. seriously compare the coverage of the women's march vs the pro life march!

 

[Stoked]

wanna know the real bias. all previous 6 president banned countries from traveling to the U S of A.
but only creating outrage with this president

So, do you think that is something new? Media outlets, on both sides, have attacked the opposing president for years and years now. I don't have any sympathy for Trump. The level to which he and his advisors attack the media could prove to be dangerous down the line. Especially if Trump tries to act on some of his proposals in regards to the media.