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Donald takes a dump and accuses President Obama of wiretapping him

So, no one wants to defend Levin and his blatant lie, which then became the source for Trump's tweets?

Too many facts?
 
green said:
So, no one wants to defend Levin and his blatant lie, which then became the source for Trump's tweets?

Too many facts?
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nah, too much twisting in turning in your baseless misrepresentation of what Levin said. Levin reasoned off of statements he had noticed in public sources, mostly from anti-Trumpers, and from his knowledge of what should be public information, and what it would take for the information to get out to the public. He clearly laid out a reasonable series of actions which included Obama's wiretapping requests, and bureacrats clearly operating in a participating, partisan manner.... which if true would be criminal actions.

Levin of course is not a public official with access to non-public information. He laid out a scenario which demands scrutiny, investigation, and if the evidence comes out in investigation, criminal charges.

Levin was ahead of Breitbart on this. Of course Breitbart could only use the "may have" terminology in carrying the issue out on it's news services, showing indeed that they are responsible journalists, seemingly unlike the irresponsible manner in which our captive liberal media "Press" has been reporting stuff as "news" and "fact" before having the evidence.

We still have not seen actual evidence of what Trump has been criticized for. We do have public and factual reports of Obama spending US taxpayer dollars to try to support Netanyahu's opposition in Israel's elections. Call it what you like, that has got to be a crime in Israel, and it ought to be a crime in our own legal system.
 
babe said:
nah, too much twisting in turning in your baseless misrepresentation of what Levin said. Levin reasoned off of statements he had noticed in public sources, mostly from anti-Trumpers, and from his knowledge of what should be public information, and what it would take for the information to get out to the public. He clearly laid out a reasonable series of actions which included Obama's wiretapping requests, and bureacrats clearly operating in a participating, partisan manner.... which if true would be criminal actions.

Levin of course is not a public official with access to non-public information. He laid out a scenario which demands scrutiny, investigation, and if the evidence comes out in investigation, criminal charges.

Levin was ahead of Breitbart on this. Of course Breitbart could only use the "may have" terminology in carrying the issue out on it's news services, showing indeed that they are responsible journalists, seemingly unlike the irresponsible manner in which our captive liberal media "Press" has been reporting stuff as "news" and "fact" before having the evidence.

We still have not seen actual evidence of what Trump has been criticized for. We do have public and factual reports of Obama spending US taxpayer dollars to try to support Netanyahu's opposition in Israel's elections. Call it what you like, that has got to be a crime in Israel, and it ought to be a crime in our own legal system.
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Misrepresentation of what he said? I quoted him. Dude, you obviously didn't even look into it.

Levin was ahead of Breitbart on this? Duh. Breitbart quoted Levin. Breitbart used Levin's quotes, which was

but the wiretaps continue
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Not "may have". "May have" came from Levin's "Source" which Levin completely misquoted.

Then, what the hell does your last two paragraphs have to do with Trump saying Obama wire tapped him, with his only proof being Levin, who misquoted his source?

Come on now.
 
fishonjazz said:
So the left made fun of the right and hurt their little feelings and so they went out and voted for trump according to you.
Point remains the same. According to you the right was manipulated into voting for trump because the left hurt their feelings.
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Read this...

https://reason.com/archives/2016/12/29/anthony-bourdain

Sums it up pretty well and I think he is spot on.

The utter contempt with which privileged Eastern liberals such as myself discuss red-state, gun-country, working-class America as ridiculous and morons and rubes is largely responsible for the upswell of rage and contempt and desire to pull down the temple that we're seeing now.

I've spent a lot of time in gun-country, God-fearing America. There are a hell of a lot of nice people out there, who are doing what everyone else in this world is trying to do: the best they can to get by, and take care of themselves and the people they love. When we deny them their basic humanity and legitimacy of their views, however different they may be than ours, when we mock them at every turn, and treat them with contempt, we do no one any good. Nothing nauseates me more than preaching to the converted. The self-congratulatory tone of the privileged left—just repeating and repeating and repeating the outrages of the opposition—this does not win hearts and minds. It doesn't change anyone's opinions. It only solidifies them, and makes things worse for all of us. We should be breaking bread with each other, and finding common ground whenever possible. I fear that is not at all what we've done.
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The people on the right have called me more names than I would ever call them. A coworker brought me a Michael Savage book called "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder," and it wasn't a joke. This is something I would never do to someone politically different. So I don't buy that one side has been picking on the other while the other side is innocent. Both sides are equally at fault for our current political climate.

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JazzGal said:
The people on the right have called me more names than I would ever call them. A coworker brought me a Michael Savage book called "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder," and it wasn't a joke. This is something I would never do to someone politically different. So I don't buy that one side has been picking on the other while the other side is innocent. Both sides are equally at fault for our current political climate.

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With all due respect Jazz gal, I don't think so.

Which side has millions of following addicted to hate radio? Which side accused for 8 years, of the president not being a legal citizen? Which side made it a point to be against everything the president was for, even some of their own ideas? Which side spent 30 years trashing the Clintons? Which side made a deal with Russia? Which side prides itself on being stupid? Which side rejects inconvenient facts as "fake news?"

Both sides aren't equally responsible for this. Cmon.
 
The Thriller said:
With all due respect Jazz gal, I don't think so.

Which side has millions of following addicted to hate radio? Which side accused for 8 years, of the president not being a legal citizen? Which side made it a point to be against everything the president was for, even some of their own ideas? Which side spent 30 years trashing the Clintons? Which side made a deal with Russia? Which side prides itself on being stupid? Which side rejects inconvenient facts as "fake news?"

Both sides aren't equally responsible for this. Cmon.
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Okay, you have a point about the last eight years. Equally may not have been the best word choice. However, I see the left making plenty of harmful comments that directly corresponds to the language they hated for eight years.

Since I lean slightly left and the majority of my family and coworkers are very conservative, I've certainly taken more hits than I give.


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fishonjazz said:
So the left made fun of the right and hurt their little feelings and so they went out and voted for trump according to you.
Point remains the same. According to you the right was manipulated into voting for trump because the left hurt their feelings.
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nope do not mean that, sorry if my points gets across wrong
 
LogGrad98 said:
Read this...

https://reason.com/archives/2016/12/29/anthony-bourdain

Sums it up pretty well and I think he is spot on.
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so it comes backl to smaller government why should some liberal who lives in cali or new york who believes in the glying climate change monster, decide that some guy in flyover country is not allowed to have a gun.
their lives aint the same they should not decide for others.

government should protect rights not be a global or large scale decision making body
 
[video=youtube_share;q_bZkgjNteQ]https://youtu.be/q_bZkgjNteQ
childless baren merkel getting pwned by trump!

wtf is up with having a childless leader to lead the country.
she dies in a few years. and leaves nothing behind so why should she be invested in the future?
why worry what happens to germany 10-20-30 years from now she is 62 she might die in the next 10 years.
 
DutchJazzer said:
[video=youtube_share;q_bZkgjNteQ]https://youtu.be/q_bZkgjNteQ
childless baren merkel getting pwned by trump!

wtf is up with having a childless leader to lead the country.
she dies in a few years. and leaves nothing behind so why should she be invested in the future?
why worry what happens to germany 10-20-30 years from now she is 62 she might die in the next 10 years.
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What a horrible and offensive comment.

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JazzGal said:
What a horrible and offensive comment.

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ooh that offends you?


the truth offends you?


sorry that the truth offends people!


typical "it is offending" so shouldn't be done and said.! so get it out of here

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...n-chancellery-decades-wikileaks-claims-merkel


https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...-cell-phone-from-berlin-embassy-a-930205.html


merkel is a filthy globalist! we do not want globalism.


why is it offensive to note that she has no stake in the future of germany! she seriously has no stake in germany after 10 20 30 or 40 years. Thats the TRUTH!
 
DutchJazzer said:
ooh that offends you?


the truth offends you?


sorry that the truth offends people!


typical "it is offending" so shouldn't be done and said.! so get it out of here

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...n-chancellery-decades-wikileaks-claims-merkel


https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...-cell-phone-from-berlin-embassy-a-930205.html


merkel is a filthy globalist! we do not want globalism.


why is it offensive to note that she has no stake in the future of germany! she seriously has no stake in germany after 10 20 30 or 40 years. Thats the TRUTH!
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Well, strictly speaking that's not true. Most liberal politicians who support the destabilization of their countries by importing slave labor and foreign criminals actually believe it's beneficial for the world because it will enable the wonderful coming of age of UN police state borderless population exterminations.

Having no children, but living high off unproductive government careers hell-bent on solving the twin world problems of overpopulation and overproduction of human necessities, is the badge of responsible New World Order cultists.

hordes of terrorists of all kinds blowing up bridges, driving truck bombs into malls, downing power transmission lines and blowing up municipal water plants is just the ticket for police checkpoints, medical record surveillance, phone and internet "data collecting" and such. How else you gonna get conservatives to surrender to Big Brother?

The brave new world needs bogeymen under every bed.

and oh, anyone who believes Obama's public protestations is, obviously, also invested in ignoring the fundamental realities. That's what national sports like NBA basketball are for.... providing an alternative reality to real life.
 
DutchJazzer said:
ooh that offends you?


the truth offends you?


sorry that the truth offends people!


typical "it is offending" so shouldn't be done and said.! so get it out of here

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...n-chancellery-decades-wikileaks-claims-merkel


https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...-cell-phone-from-berlin-embassy-a-930205.html


merkel is a filthy globalist! we do not want globalism.


why is it offensive to note that she has no stake in the future of germany! she seriously has no stake in germany after 10 20 30 or 40 years. Thats the TRUTH!
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I can't speak for JazzGal, but it isn't the truth that offends me. It's bald face lies. The kind that Trump seems to utter every time he opens his mouth. In this case, it is a lie that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower. And it is a lie that British intelligence spied on Trump for Obama. A lie. And highly offensive to be attacking our best ally, Great Britain, as well as behaving that way at a presser with Merkel. But, rather then just admit he was wrong, Trump is willing to alienate our closest ally in Great Britain. That's not only highly offensive, it demonstrates for all the world to see what a sniveling coward Trump is. What kind of a man does not have the backbone to admit he misspoke, but instead blames our closest ally? The answer is no man at all. A first class coward is what he is.....

"We" do not want globalism?? You're speaking for some, but not for everyone. You and others like you are simply elevating first class ignorance to national policy. Believe it or not, we only have this one planet. At least in terms of global climate change, it would be beneficial to try and act on a level of global cooperation. But no, people like yourself worship at the alter of blind ignorance.
 
Red said:
I can't speak for JazzGal, but it isn't the truth that offends me. It's bald face lies. The kind that Trump seems to utter every time he opens his mouth. In this case, it is a lie that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower. And it is a lie that British intelligence spied on Trump for Obama. A lie. And highly offensive to be attacking our best ally, Great Britain, as well as behaving that way at a presser with Merkel. But, rather then just admit he was wrong, Trump is willing to alienate our closest ally in Great Britain. That's not only highly offensive, it demonstrates for all the world to see what a sniveling coward Trump is. What kind of a man does not have the backbone to admit he misspoke, but instead blames our closest ally? The answer is no man at all. A first class coward is what he is.....

"We" do not want globalism?? You're speaking for some, but not for everyone. You and others like you are simply elevating first class ignorance to national policy. Believe it or not, we only have this one planet. At least in terms of global climate change, it would be beneficial to try and act on a level of global cooperation. But no, people like yourself worship at the alter of blind ignorance.
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i think jazzgal might be mad about the comments i made about merkel being barren and childless
 
Red said:
"We" do not want globalism?? You're speaking for some, but not for everyone. You and others like you are simply elevating first class ignorance to national policy. Believe it or not, we only have this one planet. At least in terms of global climate change, it would be beneficial to try and act on a level of global cooperation. But no, people like yourself worship at the alter of blind ignorance.
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do you want globaism?

do you want unelected eu officials making laws and deciding the local laws and regulations?
do you want the unelected UN leaders dictate policy? like no private citizens owning guns, no freedom of speech? do you want those things?
wnat the un to outlaw private property for common folk?

i do not, if you want em ok that's on yo!

but globalism is just the 4th reich! and we all know how fun the 3rd reich was with socialism
 
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