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Xthren said:
Watch the jazz actually win the lottery #3 and we have to draft biyombo because everyone pulls out
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If Utah ends up with him, regardless of the pick, I will immediately start may campaign to draft Myck Kabongo. If we could pull it off, we might be able to pool our money together and bring Hot Rod out of retirement.

Imagine a liquored up Hot Rod trying to say Kabongo to Biyombo a dozen times a game. That's a hell of a lot better than fry sauce.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
So if any moron can easily explain to them why they should declare for the draft, what are you assuming the player's association is capable of telling them that "poisons the well." I think the knucklehead purist has a better argument than the player's union, so I think that explanation makes more sense.
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Just for clarification, we're talking about guaranteed lottery kids.

If the NBAPA wanted to poison the well, they would need to do two things. First, tell any of these kids seeking advisement that they expect a season long lockout. That's not technically a lie and an argument could be made it's honest. What I wonder is if they then launch into a sales pitch about the importance of returning to school and honing their skills. THAT would be the NBAPA acting in its own interest at the expense of people it will theoretically be protecting in the near future.

And just to be clear, anyone who is a guaranteed lottery pick is a fool not to declare. But I'm guessing you've got a brilliant argument why not securing 6 to 12 million dollars is better than the risk you'll never get a penny of it.
 
I am with billyshelby. They need to take the money. No to mention agents will be giving these kids loans to live on until they get their contract signed they won't be with out money.
 
freakazoid said:
If Utah ends up with him, regardless of the pick, I will immediately start may campaign to draft Myck Kabongo. If we could pull it off, we might be able to pool our money together and bring Hot Rod out of retirement.

Imagine a liquored up Hot Rod trying to say Kabongo to Biyombo a dozen times a game. That's a hell of a lot better than fry sauce.
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Or one of the Lithuanians. That would be quite entertaining. Of course I dont think Harpring will ever pronounce them rights. He is horrible with intl names.
 
Xthren said:
I am with billyshelby. They need to take the money. No to mention agents will be giving these kids loans to live on until they get their contract signed they won't be with out money.
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Not to mention their shoe contracts and what not. I could see a guy like Perry Jones who would have probably gone top 5 go like 15 next year as long as new CBA does not make them wait until after Soph. year.
 
NCJazz said:
Not to mention their shoe contracts and what not. I could see a guy like Perry Jones who would have probably gone top 5 go like 15 next year as long as new CBA does not make them wait until after Soph. year.
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Not picking on you, but this is missing the point. But lets use Perry Jones as an example. Absolutely nobody thinks he will fall out of the top 14. At 14, a three year guaranteed deal makes him 5 million plus. If he miraculously went first, he'd make 14 on his guaranteed 3. No first round player is guaranteed more than 3 years, but I'd estimate 90% of lottery picks get their RFA options picked up. That's another 2 to 8 million dollars depending on who you are.

So as a lottery pick, the absolute worst thing that can happen to you is you get paid 5 to over 20 million dollars doing what you love with absolutely no risk.

The problem in the Perry Jones example is the risk isn't he falls to 15. The lesser risk is he falls out of the first round. No guaranteed contract, he has to win a job. The bigger risk is he injures himself. And if he injures himself bad enough, he'll never play pro ball, or maybe claw his way in as an RFA making the minimum.

In that scenario, he would have went back to college to win one for State U and spend the rest of his life wondering what it would have been like if he had taken 10 million dollars when it was staring him in the face.
 
billyshelby said:
Just for clarification, we're talking about guaranteed lottery kids.

If the NBAPA wanted to poison the well, they would need to do two things. First, tell any of these kids seeking advisement that they expect a season long lockout. That's not technically a lie and an argument could be made it's honest. What I wonder is if they then launch into a sales pitch about the importance of returning to school and honing their skills. THAT would be the NBAPA acting in its own interest at the expense of people it will theoretically be protecting in the near future.

And just to be clear, anyone who is a guaranteed lottery pick is a fool not to declare. But I'm guessing you've got a brilliant argument why not securing 6 to 12 million dollars is better than the risk you'll never get a penny of it.
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I totally agree that it's foolish not to take the money, but I disagree that the player's association is the reason these players are pulling out. It's not as if the same number of players aren't going to get drafted either way, so why would they care? What does the NBAPA have to gain? The players really are knuckleheads to be falling for the purist's arguments, but I think that's what must be happening. Maybe there's a little under the table booster money that's greasing the skids.
 
Saw an interview where Bismack said his father's favorite player was Karl Malone *jazzfanz's members wet pants*
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I totally agree that it's foolish not to take the money, but I disagree that the player's association is the reason these players are pulling out. It's not as if the same number of players aren't going to get drafted either way, so why would they care? What does the NBAPA have to gain? The players really are knuckleheads to be falling for the purist's arguments, but I think that's what must be happening. Maybe there's a little under the table booster money that's greasing the skids.
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The only angle I see is NBAPA leadership thinking that diluting the draft will force owners to make concessions and resolve the dispute on time. The draft is June 23rd. The CBA runs out on June 30th. I agree it's not a great angle to play since they would be angering their power base--the small market teams that largely comprise the lottery. But somebody is giving these kids bad advice. The only argument that I can think of which would justify going back to school is they will lose whatever money they would have made during the lockout. But for lottery kids, that means losing a few million off the top of the pile.
 
billyshelby said:
The only angle I see is NBAPA leadership thinking that diluting the draft will force owners to make concessions and resolve the dispute on time. The draft is June 23rd. The CBA runs out on June 30th. I agree it's not a great angle to play since they would be angering their power base--the small market teams that largely comprise the lottery. But somebody is giving these kids bad advice. The only argument that I can think of which would justify going back to school is they will lose whatever money they would have made during the lockout. But for lottery kids, that means losing a few million off the top of the pile.
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Have you ever thought money isnt everything to these kids? Maybe they enjoy college life? Maybe they enjoy playing for their college team? Maybe they enjoy getting an education? Maybe they have enough confidence in themselves to improve their game and their draft stock? Maybe they dont feel they are NBA ready yet?
 
Dwill_PwnasaurasRex said:
Have you ever thought money isnt everything to these kids? Maybe they enjoy college life? Maybe they enjoy playing for their college team? Maybe they enjoy getting an education? Maybe they have enough confidence in themselves to improve their game and their draft stock? Maybe they dont feel they are NBA ready yet?
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I don't dispute stupidity as being part of the equation. I just question the coincidence of seeing so many kids in one draft year making stupid decisions. Everything you just listed is the emotional argument that sells papers but makes no rational sense. I loved college. I would have left in a heartbeat if somebody offered me 5 million dollars to do what I loved. They can all get paid handsomely to work on their game in the pros whether they're ready or not. Improve their draft stock? To risk everything for a few more million dollars? And winning one for the gipper is the least sensible reason.
 
billyshelby said:
I don't dispute stupidity as being part of the equation. I just question the coincidence of seeing so many kids in one draft year making stupid decisions. Everything you just listed is the emotional argument that sells papers but makes no rational sense. I loved college. I would have left in a heartbeat if somebody offered me 5 million dollars to do what I loved. They can all get paid handsomely to work on their game in the pros whether they're ready or not. Improve their draft stock? To risk everything for a few more million dollars? And winning one for the gipper is the least sensible reason.
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Seems others dont agree, but i am with you 100% on your theory. Sullinger going back....ok. PJones going back? WTF?
 
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